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Jesus Warham, what's with a avatar? You are seriously creeping me out!:confused:
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Perhaps Bush could have infiltrated Al-Qaida, becomes the CEO, and made it fail.Originally posted by Warham
Clinton killed all his business partners in the past. Perhaps he should have gotten into business with bin Laden.
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You know, debates in here get started over valid points of view, but then they vanish and it takes a nose dive into insults.
For one, we need to understand that the amount of terror warnings we get on a daily basis are many. It isn't always easy to spot the real threats.
I also think Bush made a mistake by assuming that threats of flying jets into the twin towers was not possible.
I didn't think it was possible for the level of destruction caused, and i was wrong.
Of course Bush is pissing me off with his lack of attention to the borders which makes a repeat of 9-11 all to possible.
But lets also put a % of the blame where it is due.
I read in this thread that Clinton tried to kill Bin Laden 4-6 times but missed....So why was Bin Laden not picked up when he was gift wrapped for us in....damn i forget the country, was it Syria?
I don't buy this idea that he was actually trying to kill Bin Laden when after the fact Clinton doesn't bother to go get him when he was basically delivered to the Clinton Admin.
"We got him, Do you want him?"
I am still waiting for the answer to why we didn't get him, because chances are if we had, there quite possibly wouldn't have been a 9-11 in the form which we experienced it.
Bush may have ignored warnings that he shouldn't have, but Clinton ignored attacks and in some cases altered his foreign policy which only proved to empower the terror cells.
People make mistakes, and sometimes people die for them.
Clinton and Bush are both equally responsible for what happenned in Sept, 2001.
And i say that because both of them had to engage the same enemy during their Admins.
The threats and the goals of the terrorists did not change because of a change in the guard here, but both Presidents are rsponsible for the citizens of this country, so they both have the blood of our brothers and sisters on their hands.
There will be no passing of the buck here, they both screwed up, period.
I'll say this about Bush though, he didn't ignore the attacks and quite frankly it was time for us to flex our military muscle or risk getting hit harder here at home next time.
Hindsight is 20/20, but to say that Bush is solely to blame is silly...They both ignored the threats because they, as we all did, though that since Pearl Harbor we could never be hit on our shores.
They both screwed up, but at least Bush showed some balls and stood firm on the fact that we were finally going to face terrorism head on and not ignore it any longer.
Questions:
If not for Iraq how long would it have been before we learned that N.Korea and Iran were running full steam with nuclear programs?
Maybe, just maybe we wouldn't have found out until a mushroom cloud formed over a major city.
Hell, N.Korea hasn't even tested a nuke yet, so how do we know for sure they even have one?
we do know that they could level large portions of S.Korea with conventional weapons, which is why military action against N.Korea is not an American option right now.
China will play the major role in disarming N.Korea because they are the one's that have the power to put the squeeze on them.
If that doesn't work, then things are going to get very heated very quickly.
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Let's put the blood on the hands of the real killers: al-Queda.Comment
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Envoy insists Syria cooperating with U.S.
Syrian ambassador responds to recalling of U.S. envoy, tensions
Wednesday, February 16, 2005 Posted: 12:54 PM EST (1754 GMT)
U.S. Ambassador to Syria Margaret Scobey
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Syria's ambassador to the United States said Wednesday his country has worked diligently to ease tensions with the United States.
Imad Moustapha was responding to the withdrawal of his U.S. counterpart from Syria over what U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said was "a growing list of differences" between Washington and Damascus.
Rice recalled Margaret Scobey for "urgent consultations" after Monday's assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in Beirut.
Moustapha responded on CNN's "American Morning", saying his country has routinely strived to cooperate with the United States during the last 18 months.
"Whenever the United States came to Syria asking us for assistance ... we immediately engaged with the United States," Moustapha said.
"This has included our support for the elections in Iraq, our securing the borders. We have done everything possible to secure the borders between Syria and Iraq."
Syria has 13,000 troops in Lebanon, which officials say are there for peace-keeping reasons.
Moustapha also said that the most recent message he delivered to U.S. officials was that "Syria has the political will and desire to constructively engage with the United States and to improve relations with the United States."
Ambassador recalled
Rice had said she summoned Scobey home to discuss a "growing list of differences with the Syrian government."
Hariri was killed in an explosion Monday in which 16 other people died and 137 were wounded.
Scobey met with Syrian Foreign Minister Farook al-Shar'a for undisclosed reasons Wednesday before her scheduled departure.
In other top diplomatic talks, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State William Burns met Wednesday with Lebanese Foreign Minister Mahmoud Hammoud, calling for the implementation of a U.N. resolution passed last October that calls for the immediate withdrawal of the 13,000 Syrian troops that al-Shar'a says are stationed in Lebanon.
The troops' objective, according to Syria and the pro-Syrian Lebanese government, is to help maintain security.
Common interests, not united front
Wednesday, Syrian Prime Minister Naji al-Otari met with Iranian Vice President Mohammad Reza Aref in Tehran. Iran is also locked in a diplomatic confrontation with the United States over its nuclear power program and what President Bush says is its support for terrorism.
Earlier, the Iranian and Syrian officials pledged to cooperate in facing any threats, according a Reuters news service report.
But Wednesday Iran's foreign minister downplayed coordination between Iran and Syria, saying countries must cooperate to solve problems facing the entire Middle East.
At a news conference following talks with German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharazi said: "Iran and Syria have some common interests; that does not mean we are going to establish a united front.
"But we have to help, to cooperate with each other, from the Europeans, from countries in the Middle East, to solve problems the whole Middle East is facing."
Syria's troops
Rice did not accuse Syria of involvement in Hariri's death, but she said Syria's refusal to withdraw its troops was a factor.
"There is no doubt the conditions created by Syria's presence there have created a destabilized situation in Lebanon," she told reporters Tuesday. "That is very clear to everyone."
Moustapha dismissed the argument that Syrian troops could have stopped Hariri's assassination by a massive bomb in downtown Beirut."Our troops are not in any major Lebanese city," he said.
"Definitely not in Beirut. They have been out of Beirut for at least two years."You have 150,000 troops in Iraq and you can't stop acts of terrorism. We have 13,000 troops (in Lebanon)."
Moustapha said that if Lebanon's government -- the current one or the one to be elected in May -- asks Syrian forces to leave, "We will leave immediately. We will not blink an eye."
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Reuters contributed to this report.
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