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  • Jerry Falwell

    #61
    Originally posted by FORD
    The Koran doesn't seem to agree with Pat Robertson and his actor who portaryed the "converted Muslim" on the 700 Club.

    In Sura 5:50-51 (46-47) Allah says, "And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was revealed before him and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah -- a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off evil. Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed, such are evil-livers."

    In Sura 4:162 (164) Mohammed wrote that "Allah spake directly unto Moses." Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible.

    In Sura 3:40(45) it is written, "O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word form Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah)."

    Jesus says in the Koran to "Keep your duty to Allah, and obey me, for Allah is my Lord and your Lord." (Surah 3:50-51 (44)).

    In Surah 19:31(30), Jesus says, "I am the slave of Allah! He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a prophet."


    So, if Moses and Jesus were revered by Muslims, how is it logical that they would hate Jews and Christians?

    The first person I ever discussed Islam with, probably damn near 20 years ago, said that Muslims respected Jews and Christians as "people of the Book" as they themselves are. For all three traditions are rooted in Abraham through his sons Isaac and Ishmael..
    Generally speaking, I think Islam is not a peaceful religion, it's my point of view, because there are peaceful verses in the Koran, and there are peaceful hadiths [oral Moslem traditional legends], but the verse of the sword has made null and void all the peaceful verses, according to most of the Islamic jurisprudence.
    That's why you have to understand their eschatology. It states the day of judgment shall not come to pass until the tribes of Islam defeat the tribes of Israel, in Jerusalem and the surrounding nations. And every tree will cry out, every stone will cry out, "There is a Jew hiding behind me. Come oh Muslim, come oh slave of Allah, come and kill him." So it's basically there is no more taxation of Christians and Jews. This is eschatology. When the Jews come back to that land, it is time to annihilate the Jews and declare Islam. And as a matter of fact, the Jesus that Christians believe in is the anti-Christ of the Muslim. And what the Muslims believe Jesus is, is the anti-Christ of what the Christians believe. And this is in the Islam of the Hadith. So Mr. Ford, maybe the Islam that you know through your friends is not the real Islam?

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    • Jerry Falwell

      #62
      Ford, how would your friend or yourself defend this passage?


      Chapter 5: The Dinner Table

      5.41: O Apostle! let not those grieve you who strive together in hastening to unbelief from among those who say with their mouths: We believe, and their hearts do not believe, and from among those who are Jews; they are listeners for the sake of a lie, listeners for another people who have not come to you; they alter the words from their places, saying: If you are given this, take it, and if you are not given this, be cautious; and as for him whose temptation Allah desires, you cannot control anything for him with Allah. Those are they for whom Allah does not desire that He should purify their hearts; they shall have disgrace in this world, and they shall have a grievous chastisement in the hereafter.

      5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49567

        #63
        Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
        Funny thing is... within the next couple of decades, people that share the same views as yourself will look back and think that he was a genious.
        I'm not nearly as fanatic as the real Jerry, but I can't say that I don't at least partially if not nearly 100% agree with his point of view as shown above.
        Muhuhawhawhawhawhawhawhawhaw...

        Right after I say Osama and Mullah Omar are "genius'" Actually they are evil genius' whereas Falwell is just your average demagogue.

        I choose to let God, assuming there is one, punish the wicked. Not terrorists or Christian fundamentalists who have the same mindset choose to speak for him/her.

        It's good to know you approve of Falwell's cheerleading for al-Qaida! Funny, where's the outrage on that?

        So it's okay for Falwell to say that 9/11 was okay 'cause it killed a bunch of (to paraphrase) immoral faggots...Well, actually I think most of the people killed were upstanding citizens just making a living. So why did God punish them through a terrorist? If God is this actively involved in the world, why does he/she not have abortion clinics spontaneously combust?

        **BUT**

        Chief Crazy Horse's comparison of the victims to Adolph Eichmann was somehow inappropriate and he should be fired??*?*?


        Ahhhhh...the stench of hypocrisy!

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        • Cathedral
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Jan 2004
          • 6621

          #64
          I find that the largest majority of Evangelical "BIG MONEY" churches are in contempt of the word of God.

          Humble yourselves and find a humble church where the teaching is pure and as accurate as can possibly be.

          If you follow a false prophet he will lead you straight to hell, it even says that much in the scripture.

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          • Jerry Falwell

            #65
            Originally posted by Cathedral
            I find that the largest majority of Evangelical "BIG MONEY" churches are in contempt of the word of God.

            Humble yourselves and find a humble church where the teaching is pure and as accurate as can possibly be.

            If you follow a false prophet he will lead you straight to hell, it even says that much in the scripture.

            I couldn't agree w/ you more! I just picked my screen name to get a reaction from the far left. Anyway, my wife and I attend a church just like what you have defined... check it out at lifechurch.tv
            :D

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            • ELVIS
              Banned
              • Dec 2003
              • 44120

              #66
              The church I belong to is victorylifeonline.org...

              The website is lacking, but I believe I will be our future webmaster...

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49567

                #67
                Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
                I couldn't agree w/ you more! I just picked my screen name to get a reaction from the far left. Anyway, my wife and I attend a church just like what you have defined... check it out at lifechurch.tv
                :D
                Feel free not to address any of my moderate...er...far left points and to drink your Falwell kool-aid. :D

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35755

                  #68
                  Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                  I don't think you'll see Christians marching in en masse in entire countries calling for the destruction of entire nations...well maybe Scotland.


                  The only place I see that is the USA and Iraq.

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                  • ELVIS
                    Banned
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 44120

                    #69
                    Yeah, right...

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