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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    'Minutemen' plan to patrol Arizona border

    Volunteers want to stop illegal immigrants entering U.S.


    February 21, 2005



    U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Robert C. Bonner is keeping a close eye on Minutemen plans.


    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Intent on securing the vulnerable Arizona border from illegal immigrant crossings, U.S. officials are bracing for what they call a potential new threat this spring: the Minutemen.

    Nearly 500 volunteers have already joined the Minuteman Project, anointing themselves civilian border patrol agents. They plan to patrol a 40-mile stretch of the southeast Arizona border throughout April when the tide of immigrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border peaks.

    "I felt the only way to get something done was to do it yourself," said Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant and decorated Vietnam War veteran who is helping recruit Minutemen across the country.

    "We've been repeatedly accused of being people who are taking the law into our own hands," said Gilchrist, 56, of Aliso Viejo, California "That is an outright bogus statement. We are going down there to assist law enforcement."

    Officials concede the 370-mile Arizona border is the most porous stretch on the U.S.-Mexico line. Moreover, recent intelligence indicates that al Qaeda terrorists are likely to enter the country through the Mexican border, James Loy, the deputy secretary of the Homeland Security Department, said last week.

    "Several al Qaeda leaders believe operatives can pay their way into the country through Mexico, and also believe illegal entry is more advantageous than legal entry for operational security reasons," Loy said in written testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee.

    Of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants caught by the U.S. Border Patrol last year, 51 percent crossed into the country at the Arizona border. The agency increased the number of agents in the Tucson sector, which has its largest staff, from 1,700 to 2,100 over the last 18 months.

    But that number is going to grow to try to plug the remaining holes, said Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Robert C. Bonner. About 10,000 federal agents now patrol the 2,000-mile southern border, he said.

    Officials fear the Minuteman patrols could cause more trouble than they prevent. At least some of the volunteers plan to arm themselves during the 24-hour desert patrols. Many are untrained and have little or no experience in confronting illegal border crossings.

    "Any time there are firearms and you're out in the middle of no-man's land in difficult terrain, it's a dangerous setting," said Bonner, whose agency is keeping a close eye on the Minutemen plans.

    "The Border Patrol does this every day, and they are qualified and very well-trained to handle the situation," he said. "Ordinary Americans are not. So there's a danger that not just illegal migrants might get hurt, but that American citizens might get hurt in this situation."

    Civilian patrols are nothing new along the southern border, where crossing the international line is sometimes as easy as stepping over a few rusty strands of barbed wire. But they usually are limited to small, informal groups, leaving organizers to believe the Minuteman Project is the largest of its kind on the southern border.

    It may also prove to be a magnet for what Glenn Spencer, president of the private American Border Patrol, described as camouflage-wearing, weapons-toting hard-liners who might get a little carried away with their assignments.

    "How are they going to keep the nut cases out of there? They can't control that," said Spencer, whose 40-volunteer group, based in Hereford, Arizona, has used unmanned aerial vehicles and other high-tech equipment to track and report the number of border crossings for more than two years.

    "There's a storm gathering here on the border, and there are conditions ripe for some difficulty," he said.

    The border agents agree.

    The Minutemen "clearly have every reason to be upset with the federal government for abandoning them," said National Border Patrol Council president T.J. Bonner, no relation to the commissioner.

    But "if anything goes wrong, God forbid, someone does injure an agent, this government is going to be turning both barrels on them and come after them with a vengeance," he said.

    Gilchrist said the Minutemen are under strict orders to merely identify and follow illegal border crossers and alert federal agents. They should not interact with the immigrants except to offer food, water or medical care. If there's a couple of "bad apples" who turn up in the group, Gilchrist said, they will face prosecution if they step outside the law.

    Something dramatic needed to be done to curb the years of crime, property damage and trash dumping caused by the border crossings, Gilchrist said.

    "Things are out of control" he said. "And they've been out of control for decades."




  • Mezro
    Full Member Status

    • May 2004
    • 4154

    #2
    This is a great idea!

    Mezro...why not let people who really love our country defend it...
    Got me a date with a shaved Asian. I know, I know; I think it's fucked!

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    • Little_Skittles
      Foot Soldier
      • Dec 2004
      • 557

      #3
      Shoot fair game I say if you get killed you get killed that's chance they take.
      Do you love me peter? Yes of course my lord. Then feed my sheep.

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      • Big Train
        Full Member Status

        • Apr 2004
        • 4013

        #4
        yea this is REALLy going to be the solution to the problem. Good on paper, absolutely fucked retarded in practice.

        Yea skittles, who cares if they take lives right? Fucking morons are more likely to shoot themselves..or get killed in the process.

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        • Little_Skittles
          Foot Soldier
          • Dec 2004
          • 557

          #5
          yeah! You said it.
          Do you love me peter? Yes of course my lord. Then feed my sheep.

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          • Big Train
            Full Member Status

            • Apr 2004
            • 4013

            #6
            I did say they were fucking morons...glad you agree.

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            • Little_Skittles
              Foot Soldier
              • Dec 2004
              • 557

              #7
              all of our government is.
              Do you love me peter? Yes of course my lord. Then feed my sheep.

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49567

                #8
                Originally posted by Big Train
                I did say they were fucking morons...glad you agree.
                Any sort of vigilant shit is a bad idea. At best these guys are wasting their retiree time trying to feel useful, at worst, someone is going to get killed.

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                • Little_Skittles
                  Foot Soldier
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 557

                  #9
                  oh boy this should be fun shouldn't it?
                  Do you love me peter? Yes of course my lord. Then feed my sheep.

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                  • McCarrens
                    Foot Soldier
                    • May 2004
                    • 705

                    #10
                    This is a terrible idea.
                    "The security around the hotel was ridiculous. This chick was pounding and screaming at my door until four or five in the morning....finally I said fuck it, and let her out of the room"

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                    • The Scatologist
                      Sniper
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 932

                      #11
                      Here's a great idea! WHY DON'T THEY JUST FUCKING JOIN THE BORDER PATROL SO THEY CAN GET TRAINING AND GET PAID FOR THIS SHIT!
                      The name Sammy Hagar conjures up a variety of emotions from music fans--from hate to contempt, from disgust to revulsion.

                      -TheSmokingGun.com

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                      • Mezro
                        Full Member Status

                        • May 2004
                        • 4154

                        #12
                        It gets pretty hot in Arizona.

                        Mezro...will the minutemen dress like this?...
                        Got me a date with a shaved Asian. I know, I know; I think it's fucked!

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          #13
                          Originally posted by The Scatologist
                          Here's a great idea! WHY DON'T THEY JUST FUCKING JOIN THE BORDER PATROL SO THEY CAN GET TRAINING AND GET PAID FOR THIS SHIT!
                          Maybe they're not hiring...

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                          • DLR'sCock
                            Crazy Ass Mofo
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 2937

                            #14
                            If these morons kill someone coming in, they'll end up going to jail for murder.

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                            • ODShowtime
                              ROCKSTAR

                              • Jun 2004
                              • 5812

                              #15
                              What until they meet some coke smugglers in the middle of the night...
                              gnaw on it

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