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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    Most Americans don't approve of homosexual marriage

    The fairness doctrine
    Cal Thomas


    March 1, 2004


    The argument most often heard in favor same-sex "marriage" is that it is the "fair" thing to do.

    This is an interesting position, because having jettisoned one standard for marriage, those pushing for the inclusion of same-sex "marriage" now appeal to the public on the basis of another standard. But if there are to be no standards, or only "standards" that shift with the changing winds of culture (which then don't count as standards at all), on what basis are advocates of same-sex "marriage" appealing to the majority of us who, according to opinion polls, want to keep marriage for heterosexuals only?

    Let's put it this way. If you tell me you do not believe in God and then say to me that I should brake for animals, or pay women equally, or help the poor, on what basis are you making such an appeal? If no standard for objective truth, law, wisdom, justice, charity, kindness, compassion and fidelity exists in the universe, then what you are asking me to accept is an idea that has taken hold in your head but that has all of the moral compulsion of a bowl of cereal. You are a sentimentalist, trying to persuade me to a point of view based on your feelings about the subject and not rooted in the fear of God or some other unchanging earthly standard.

    The mayor of New Paltz, N.Y., Jason West, recently performed same-sex "marriages," saying it is the "moral" thing to do. Moral? According to whom? If only according to Mayor West, he is practicing moral relativism, not objective morality.

    Thomas Jefferson did not speak of rights being endowed by the courts or vigilante mayors and judges who take the law into their own hands like a lynch mob in frontier America. He knew that for certain rights to have meaning, they must come from outside the reach of man. He also knew that in order to protect institutions essential to the preservation of the constitutional republic, it was necessary to create a system that would control human urges and appetites.

    The idea of marriage did not originate in San Francisco or Massachusetts or even with the Founders. Like it or not, it came from the book of Genesis, where, after the fall of man, God said, "A man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh" (Genesis 2:24). Homosexuals may become "one flesh" in their own eyes but not in a biblical sense, no matter how many Scriptural heretics with degrees from seminaries that are mostly schools of unbelief are trotted out.

    The problem is that too many people either no longer accept this historical view of marriage, or they don't wish to "impose" their view on others (for fear of being called a bigot), or they have a "live and let live" philosophy that has opened the door to virtually any and every experiment in social arrangement. If same-sex marriage is allowed, it is going to be nearly impossible to prohibit the sanctioning of any other kind of human "relationship" - from close relatives of different sexes who wish to marry (that has been outlawed because of biological and incest considerations) and polygamists to adult-child "marriage."

    I recently asked Republican New York Gov. George Pataki if he favored same-sex marriage. He said he doesn't but thinks some accommodation could be made to homosexuals offering similar benefits. What about polygamy? He quickly rejected that, saying "it is against the law." The New Paltz mayor is violating the law, but New York's Attorney General won't stop him. If things that are illegal violate cultural trendiness, our new definition of "truth," they are simply permitted.

    I don't know how you reverse such a trend. Political activism isn't working. Appeals to higher standards aren't successful, because same-sex "marriage" is evidence that the standards have already been abandoned. How does a nation that has tolerated about 40 million abortions suddenly acquire a moral sense about same-sex marriage?

    Maybe those of us wishing to preserve marriage for heterosexuals, imperfect as we may be at it, ought to ask those pushing for its redefinition what they mean by their "fairness doctrine" and upon what it is based. At least we heterosexuals have a reference that is thousands of years old. What's theirs and how do we know it won't change tomorrow?
    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35755

    #2
    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    Let's put it this way. If you tell me you do not believe in God and then say to me that I should brake for animals, or pay women equally, or help the poor, on what basis are you making such an appeal? If no standard for objective truth, law, wisdom, justice, charity, kindness, compassion and fidelity exists in the universe, then what you are asking me to accept is an idea that has taken hold in your head but that has all of the moral compulsion of a bowl of cereal. You are a sentimentalist, trying to persuade me to a point of view based on your feelings about the subject and not rooted in the fear of God or some other unchanging earthly standard.

    Moronic.

    The guy needs to read philosophy for idiots.

    Cheers!

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      Philosophy has nothing to do with anything...

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59637

        #4
        Originally posted by Seshmeister
        Moronic.

        The guy needs to read philosophy for idiots.

        Cheers!

        Read it? He writes it!
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          #5
          "A man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh" (Genesis 2:24).


          What part of that flies over a liberals head ??

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 59637

            #6
            Originally posted by ELVIS
            "A man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh" (Genesis 2:24).


            What part of that flies over a liberals head ??
            Who was Adam's mother?
            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • ELVIS
              Banned
              • Dec 2003
              • 44120

              #7
              Nobody.. He had a crreator...

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 59637

                #8
                Originally posted by ELVIS
                Nobody.. He had a crreator...
                Well, then, since he couldn't leave his parents, then he couldn't do what that verse commanded, therefore he and Eve can't get married. Guess he might as well go find Steve
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35755

                  #9
                  I'm still trying to work out on what day God buried the dinosaur bones and more importantly why?

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                  • FORD
                    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                    • Jan 2004
                    • 59637

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Seshmeister
                    I'm still trying to work out on what day God buried the dinosaur bones and more importantly why?
                    The dinosaurs died in the flood. There's no fucking way Noah could have fit a pair of brontasauruses on that boat!
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                    • David Lee Rocks
                      Sniper
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 809

                      #11
                      are we having a religous discussion?

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35755

                        #12


                        I think the Noah story is the funniest of the lot to watch the bible literalists squirm through.

                        There are over 350 THOUSAND species of beetle alone.

                        Of course there is the water problem...

                        And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
                        Over the top of Mt. Everest then? The volume of water would have been astronomical. Millions of cubic miles. Where did it come from? Where did it go? The polar ice-caps are not big enough. The atmosphere does not contain millions of cubic miles of water.

                        Using a bit of armchair maths, we can roughly calculate how much water would have been needed to cover the planet to the top of Mt. Everest:

                        The radius of the Earth is approx. 6370km
                        The height of Everest above sea-level is approx. 8.8 km
                        Therefore, the volume of the Earth is approx. 1,082,696,932,000km³, or 1,080 billion cubic kilometers.
                        The volume of the earth to the height of Everest is 1,087,190,293,000km³
                        Subtracting the first volume from the second gives approx. 4,493,361,000, or four thousand, five hundred million cubic kilometers of water!
                        Also, this rain is supposed to have fallen within about 40 days. That means that there would have been about 220 metres of rainfall every day over the entire planet (8800/40 = 220)! A few centimetres in a day is considered to be extremely heavy rain.
                        ( Note: volume of sphere = 4/3 pi r³, and I use the American billion of 1,000,000,000 here )

                        Many Ark-theorists claim that scale models of the Ark have been built according to the Biblical specifications, and found to be extremely sea-worthy in test-tanks. I hope that these tests also attempted to simulate the correct amount of rainfall by aiming several high-pressure fire-hoses directly at the model.

                        Assuming it was fresh water (as it rained) this would have severely diluted the oceans, causing devastation among the marine creatures. Ask anyone with a marine fish-tank just how sensitive reef-fish and corals are to changes in water conditions. Virtually all sea-life that could not stand brackish water would have been destroyed.

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                        • David Lee Rocks
                          Sniper
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 809

                          #13
                          I believe parts of the bible but some of it contradicts itself dosent it?

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                          • Cathedral
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 6621

                            #14
                            Originally posted by FORD
                            Well, then, since he couldn't leave his parents, then he couldn't do what that verse commanded, therefore he and Eve can't get married. Guess he might as well go find Steve
                            Bearing children was Eve's curse for having sexual relations with the Serpent.(Satan)
                            They were mankinds first parents.
                            Eve also had a creator, God took the rib of Adam and created woman.
                            Now Adam's rib was not literally removed from him, this is a figure of speech meaning his DNA.

                            People, you will never find the Supernatural answer using Natural thinking.
                            God was Adam and Eve's Father and Mother, hence, The Creator...

                            They were husband and wife from the start.
                            Last edited by Cathedral; 03-03-2004, 11:28 PM.

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                            • Cathedral
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6621

                              #15
                              Originally posted by David Lee Rocks
                              I believe parts of the bible but some of it contradicts itself dosent it?
                              No, it doesn't. the answeres are all there if you truly seek them with your heart and can put carnal thinking out of your mind.

                              Never lean to your own understanding.

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