51% of Americans in favor of kidnap and torture?

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Little_Skittles
America is the only nation stupidest enough to get caught......

Your third grade grammar teacher would be ashamed of you.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
The latest mantra.

We don't behead you we just torture you for 2 years.

The 9 British at Guantanamo have now been released back to here in grattitude for Blairs cocksucking.

They were all released without charge.

Lets say half of these people are innocent although it's probably higher. You live in a country that tortures innocent people for years.

You live in a country where a leader buckled to the will of political pressure of the people despite the fact that the people in question were in fact terrorists. Congratulations. It's no wonder Europe has a lower inmate prison rate than the US...they just don't lock the bastards up out of fear.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Your third grade grammar teacher would be ashamed of you.

But Dubya would be proud!

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' —George W. Bush, Feb. 21, 2001

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by blueturk
But Dubya would be proud!

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' —George W. Bush, Feb. 21, 2001

:D

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
I believe that children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way....

:D

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
You live in a country where a leader buckled to the will of political pressure of the people despite the fact that the people in question were in fact terrorists. Congratulations. It's no wonder Europe has a lower inmate prison rate than the US...they just don't lock the bastards up out of fear.

If there is no proof they are terrorists then they are not terrorists.

If you have to torture them to say they are terrorists then that is no proof.

Worse than the fact you have let your country be taken over by torturers, because they rely on faulty torture intelligence we have ended up in Iraq.

The 'proof' cited by Colin Powell to the UN was obtained by the US giving a suspect to the Egyptians for torture.

Look how accurate that turned out to be.

And Jesterstar, I'll let your post speak for itself about who is a drunken loser.

Cheers!

[Cathedral]

Re: Re: Re: 51% of Americans in favor of kidnap and torture?

Originally posted by FORD
Doc's right.... Those 6 ft tall white skinned, athletic shoe wearing "Arabs" who couldn't even read Arabic from a script were sure mean to Nick Berg.

When they get back to Virgini.....uh, I mean Fallujah, they should be severely punished.

Oh, so your new conspiracy is that Americans from Virginia are the one's who beheaded Nick Berg?

You're a pathetic man to make a statement like that, and i use the term "man" very loosely.
Your IQ dropped 40 points in the time it took to type that crap.

[ODShowtime]

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Originally posted by Cathedral
Oh, so your new conspiracy is that Americans from Virginia are the one's who beheaded Nick Berg?

You're a pathetic man to make a statement like that, and i use the term "man" very loosely.
Your IQ dropped 40 points in the time it took to type that crap.

He didn't mean regular old Virginians, a people of fine stock (BBB not withstanding). He meant the CIA!

[Seshmeister]

FORD's theory is too big a jump for me but the FBI are complaining that the CIA are taking suspects off of them, sending them to Egypt for torture and then getting crap intelligence back because the suspect just says any shit they want to hear to stop the torture.

This kind of thing is how we ended up with everyone thinking that Saddam had WMDs.

[Cathedral]

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Originally posted by ODShowtime
He didn't mean regular old Virginians, a people of fine stock (BBB not withstanding). He meant the CIA!

Well, that's not what he posted, but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
That kind of accusation (not the CIA thing) just pisses me off coming from a so-called fellow American.

[Seshmeister]

CIA Renditions of Terror Suspects Are 'Out of Control:' Report

Sunday 06 February 2005

The Central Intelligence Agency's 'rendition' of suspected terrorists has spiralled 'out of control' according to a former FBI agent, cited in a report which examined how CIA detainees are spirited to states suspected of using torture.

Michael Scheuer a former CIA counterterrorism agent told The New Yorker magazine "all we've done is create a nightmare," with regard to the top secret practice of renditions.

In an article titled 'Outsourcing Torture' due to hit newsstands this week, the magazine claims suspects, sometimes picked up by the CIA, are often flown to Egypt , Morocco, Syria and Jordan , "each of which is known to use torture in interrogations."

The report said suspects are given few, if any, legal protections.

Despite US laws that ban America from expelling or extraditing individuals to countries where torture occurs, Scott Horton -- an expert on international law who has examined CIA renditions -- estimates that 150 people have been picked up in the CIA dragnet since 2001.

The New Yorker report said that suspects in Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East "have been abducted by hooded or masked American agents" and then sometimes forced onto a white Gulfstream V jet.

The jet -- marked on its tail by the code N379P which has recently been changed to N8068V -- "has been registered to a series of dummy American corporations ... (and) has clearance to land at US military bases," it said.

Maher Arar was arrested in 2002 by US officials at John F. Kennedy airport and then claims he was put on a "executive jet" which flew him to Amman, Jordan , before he was driven to Syria .

Arar says he was tortured in Syria ?and told his interrogators anything they wanted due to the beatings He was released without charge in 2003 and is suing the US government for his mistreatment.

He claims that the crew onboard the Gulfstream identified themselves as "the Special Removal Unit" during radio communications on his flight to Jordan .

"The most common destinations for rendered suspects are Egypt , Morocco, Syria ?and Jordan , all of which have been cited for human rights violations by the (US) State Department," the report said.

By holding detainees without counsel or charges of wrongdoing, the administration of US President George W. Bush "has jeopardized its chances of convicting hundreds of suspected terrorists, or even of using them as witnesses in almost any court in the world," the report said.

The article cited Dan Coleman, an ex Federal Bureau of Investigation counterterrorism expert who retired in July 2003.

Coleman told The New Yorker that torture "has become bureaucratized," by the Bush administration, and that the practice of renditions is "out of control."

Scheuer said there had been a legal process underlying early renditions, but as more suspects were rounded up following the September 11, 2001, attacks, "all we've done is create a nightmare."

Abductees are effectively classified as "illegal enemy combatants," by the US government, which is how it also classifies the estimated 550 'war on terror' detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba .

Such a classifiction, the US argues, exempts such detainees from the protections of the Geneva Conventions, part of which govern the treatment of prisoners.

The report also cited the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan , Craig Murray, as saying Washington has accepted intelligence from Uzkbekistan that was "largely rubbish."

The ambassador claims to know of at least three individuals rendered to Uzbekistan ?by the United States, where cases of the authorities boiling prisoners' body parts have been documented.

Washington has admitted it is holding some suspects, including top Al-Qaeda operative Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, but it does not say where he is detained.

Mohammed has reportedly been "water boarded" during interrogations: So called 'water boarding' refers to a practice whereby a detainee is bound and immersed in water until he nearly drowns.

[Nickdfresh]

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Originally posted by Cathedral
Well, that's not what he posted, but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
That kind of accusation (not the CIA thing) just pisses me off coming from a so-called fellow American.

While it is a crack pot statement to me also, the CIA is HQ'd in Langley, VA. That's what Ford meant.