U.S. Death Toll Hits 1,500 in Iraq!

[Big Train]

What a fantastic thread...it has it all, a wonderful read.

We have a pissing contest, a n entirely side commentary on abortion, articles and counter-articles, some Phil commentary...this fucking thing has it all.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You can convolute abortion and the Iraq War all you want Catheter. But since Bush has started the former, and contributes to the latter, I fail to see your point bud.

I'm not trying to convolute anything, man.
I just don't understand how you can distinguish a difference between a fetus being killed and soldiers being killed.

They are both acts of man, and i don't pretend to make excuses for Bush and his policies, in fact the blood of both fetus and soldier is on the hands of all polticians for allowing either to happen at any point in history, and the citizens for supporting either act of violence.

I guess what my basic beef with all of this is, How come you show so much outrage over the troops being killed, yet make social excuses for abortion?

If the loss of human life in Iraq drives you to throw it in the face of the Republican folk around here, it is a pratice in hypocracy to lay the rap of abortion on society and show no outrage at all.

Long post short, if you want the soldiers to stop dying, why not the babies that are aborted every day at numbers that probably dwarf those of the 1,500 this thread is based on?

I'm not so easy to excuse sexually active people for NOT taking resonsibility for their actions.
Rich or Poor, I know great folks that come from both ends of that spectrum, in fact, there was a time in this country where an expectant mother did what she had to do to raise their kids whether they wanted them or not.
i mean they (children) are not a paper cup from a McDonalds to just be discarded because you got a surprise flavor with your happy meal.

You see my point now?

There is nothing you or I can do about either issue, but to me, every life is as significant as the next.
I also don't want our fallen brothers and sisters in arms to be used as ammunition to attack people who simply hold different opinions than one another.
Man, they deserve so much more respect than that.

Anyway, sleep well my friend... Chat at ya later.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Big Train
What a fantastic thread...it has it all, a wonderful read.

We have a pissing contest, a n entirely side commentary on abortion, articles and counter-articles, some Phil commentary...this fucking thing has it all.

I didn't think anybody bothered to read any of this stuff other than people who posted.

Who are all the visitors to this site and why is this site so popular?

Why don't they ever post?

Maybe they were educated at Yale like Bush and they can't type.

If Bush can't type I wouldn't let him fly a national guard jet.

Junior wuz just along fer da ride and a reel pilot wuz flying.

Oh, junior flew a lot, but not in planes.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
When I see lines like this bullshit, it tells me all I need to know:

What a crock.

Because the writer adds his own opinion, that doesn't discredit what Clinton's aid said on C-SPAN.

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Hypocrisy? Priceless! You know that this is a bunch of bullshit, right? We didn't invade Iraq to free it, but because of our perceived geo-political interests. There are plenty of dictatorships we support and send our enemies too to be tortured for us.

Name 50 of them.

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
What price do you put on Freedom?

What price can you put on freedom in the Middle East?

What price do you put on the end of Islamic fundalmentalist jihads?

I just want to know because more than 1500 soldiers died to make this a free nation. More than 1500 died in a single hour of most Civil War battles. More than 1500 died in a day during the Vietnam conflict. Over 1500 allied soldiers lost their lives on D-Day.

As a veteran I too salute those that have given the "ultimate sacrifice" to their nation. Don't trivialize it with political connotations because your political idelogy wants to use them as pawns and use them as some flaw to the UN peace process. If you really do salute them then stop using them for dumbass comments like you did above. Honor their memory and don't disgrace them for what they fought for. Soldiers don't get to pick and choose what wars or battles they will be a part of. Using them as a stage prop for some socialist pity party bender doesn't work for me. Try crying this kind of bullshit in a bar close to a military installation and see how many teeth you have left in your head when you're done.

Because of their actions free elections were held in Afghanistan and Iraq. Lebanon, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Israel are taking notice. Some are starting on the path to Freedom. Stop using the soldiers as a placcard for peace, they're trained and ready for what they're doing. Ask them. Talk to the vets returning from the area. Support your troops by joining Operation Shoebox or Operation for the Troops don't just put a yellow ribbon on your car or state you support them. Actions speak louder than words.

I've stated that I would willingly go and after 9-11 looked into whether or not I could get back in. The MOS I held is highly desirable and takes 2-3 years of training to obtain. I am too old. I did that instead of griping about rounding up a bunch of Kurt Cobain lookalikes and enlisting them and their families. That was a better alternative than shooting my mouth off on a DLR forum!

DrMaddVibe,

[DrMaddVibe]

It's more like this...nimrod!

Don't forget to goose-step!

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Name 50 of them.

50 may be exaggerated, but 20 is bad enough!

1. Saudi Arabia
2. Kazachstan
3. Uzbekistan
4. Kuwait
5. UAE
6. Egypt
7. Yemen
8. Malaysia
9. Qatar
10. Pakistan
11. Singapore
12. Tansania
13. Nigeria
14. Liberia
15. Sierra Leone
16. Ivory Coast
17. Turkmenistan
18. Bahrain
19. Oman
20. Brunei

[kentuckyklira]

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
50 may be exaggerated, but 20 is bad enough!

1. Saudi Arabia
2. Kazachstan
3. Uzbekistan
4. Kuwait
5. UAE
6. Egypt
7. Yemen
8. Malaysia
9. Qatar
10. Pakistan
11. Singapore
12. Tansania
13. Nigeria
14. Liberia
15. Sierra Leone
16. Ivory Coast
17. Turkmenistan
18. Bahrain
19. Oman
20. Brunei

Elaborate on each.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
What a crock.

Because the writer adds his own opinion, that doesn't discredit what Clinton's aid said on C-SPAN.

I don't take his word for anything since it's based on partisan apologism.

[DrMaddVibe]

There's a reason to vote for his wife huh?

[kentuckyklira]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft

Right then... Still wondering why people who share your line of "reasoning" are losing elections?
[/B][/QUOTE] For the same reason that Ashlee Simpson sells lots of CDs!

NUFF SAID?

[DLR'sCock]

Originally posted by Cathedral
They increase every year, and have been for longer than Bush has been in office.
This isn't a Left or Right issue, It's an American Holocaust!

You should really do research bro...and I got this CDC data from a religious website...



Historical CDC data from 1970 to 1995:
Numbers of abortions: This is the total number of legal abortions reported in the U.S.: 1970 to 1980: The number of abortions increased every year.
1981 to 1982: The number stabilized, increasing by only about 0.2% a year.
1983 to 1990: Significant growth resumed, with increases of up to 5% per year
1990 to 1995: The number decreased every year.

Abortion ratio: This is the number of legal abortions per 1,000 live births. 1970 to 1984: The ratio increased, reaching a peak of 364 in 1984
1985 to 1995: The ratio decreased steadily to 311 in 1995

Abortion rate: This is the number of legal abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44 years: 1970 to 1980: The rate increased from 5 to 25.
1981 to 1992: The rate remained stable at 23 to 24.
1993 to 1995: The rate steadily declined to 20.






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Recent CDC data from 1995 to 1999:
Item 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000
Total abortions 1 1,211 1,222 900 884 6 862 6 857
Decrease in total abortions over previous year 4.5% -0.9% 5 3.3% 2% 6 2.5% 6 0.5%
% of abortions performed on women under 20 years of age 20.1 20.3% 20.1% 19.8% 19.2% 18.8%
% of abortions on women 20 to 24 years 32.5% 31.8% 31.7% 31.8 32.2 33%
Number of deaths 2 ? 10 10 4 -
% unmarried women 80.3% 80.4% 81.0% 81.1% 80.8 81%
Average abortion ratio 3 311 314 274 264 256 246
Abortion rate 4 20 20 17 17 17 16
% of abortions under 9 weeks gestation 54.0 54.6% 55.4% 55.7% 57.6% 58%
% of abortions under 13 weeks gestation 88% 87% 88.1 88.1% 88.0% 88%
% of abortions over 20 weeks gestation 1.4% 1.5% 1.4% 1.4% 1.5% 1.4
Date report issued ? 1999-JUL 2000-DEC 2002-JUN 2002-NOV 2003?

Notes for the above table:

In thousands.
This row gives the number of deaths due to complications from legal induced abortions.
Abortion ratio is the number of legal induced abortions per 1,000 live births.
Abortion rate is the number of abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44 years.
The total number of legal abortions in the U.S. increased by 0.89% from 1995 to 1996. However, this number is deceptive, since the national population increased by about 0.92% from mid-1995 to mid-1996. 6 Thus, the number of abortions per-capita may have actually decreased slightly.
These values were heavily influenced by missing data from Alaska, California, New Hampshire and Oklahoma.
These values were heavily influenced by missing data from Alaska, California, and New Hampshire.
See references 1,2,3,4,7

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fact.htm

[DLR'sCock]

Country Abortion rate per 1,000 women aged 15–44* Maternal deaths per 100,000 live births
Where abortion is legal

United States 26 12

England/Wales 15 9

Netherlands 6 12

Finland 10 11

Japan 14 18

Australia 17 9

Where abortion is illegal

Brazil 38 220

Colombia 34 100

Chile 45 65

Dominican Republic 44 110

Mexico 23 110

Peru 52 280