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  • Angel
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7481

    Missile Counter Attach

    I hope Ms. Rice reads this, she could definitely use the education!



    Missile Counter-Attack
    Axworthy fires back at U.S. -- and Canadian -- critics of our BMD decision in An Open Letter to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

    Thu Mar 3 2005

    By LLOYD AXWORTHY



    Dear Condi, I'm glad you've decided to get over your fit of pique and venture north to visit your closest neighbour. It's a chance to learn a thing or two. Maybe more.
    I know it seems improbable to your divinely guided master in the White House that mere mortals might disagree with participating in a missile-defence system that has failed in its last three tests, even though the tests themselves were carefully rigged to show results.

    But, gosh, we folks above the 49th parallel are somewhat cautious types who can't quite see laying down billions of dollars in a three-dud poker game.

    As our erstwhile Prairie-born and bred (and therefore prudent) finance minister pointed out in presenting his recent budget, we've had eight years of balanced or surplus financial accounts. If we're going to spend money, Mr. Goodale added, it will be on day-care and health programs, and even on more foreign aid and improved defence.

    Sure, that doesn't match the gargantuan, multi-billion-dollar deficits that your government blithely runs up fighting a "liberation war" in Iraq, laying out more than half of all weapons expenditures in the world, and giving massive tax breaks to the top one per cent of your population while cutting food programs for poor children.

    Just chalk that up to a different sense of priorities about what a national government's role should be when there isn't a prevailing mood of manifest destiny. Coming to Ottawa might also expose you to a parliamentary system that has a thing called question period every day, where those in the executive are held accountable by an opposition for their actions, and where demands for public debate on important topics such a missile defence can be made openly.

    You might also notice that it's a system in which the governing party's caucus members are not afraid to tell their leader that their constituents don't want to follow the ideological, perhaps teleological, fantasies of Canada's continental co-inhabitant. And that this leader actually listens to such representations.

    Your boss did not avail himself of a similar opportunity to visit our House of Commons during his visit, fearing, it seems, that there might be some signs of dissent. He preferred to issue his diktat on missile defence in front of a highly controlled, pre-selected audience.

    Such control-freak antics may work in the virtual one-party state that now prevails in Washington. But in Canada we have a residual belief that politicians should be subject to a few checks and balances, an idea that your country once espoused before the days of empire.

    If you want to have us consider your proposals and positions, present them in a proper way, through serious discussion across the table in our cabinet room, as your previous president did when he visited Ottawa. And don't embarrass our prime minister by lobbing a verbal missile at him while he sits on a public stage, with no chance to respond.

    Now, I understand that there may have been some miscalculations in Washington based on faulty advice from your resident governor of the "northern territories," Ambassador Cellucci. But you should know by now that he hasn't really won the hearts and minds of most Canadians through his attempts to browbeat and command our allegiance to U.S. policies. Sadly, Mr. Cellucci has been far too closeted with exclusive groups of 'experts' from Calgary think-tanks and neo-con lobbyists at cross-border conferences to remotely grasp a cross-section of Canadian attitudes (nor American ones, for that matter).

    I invite you to expand the narrow perspective that seems to inform your opinions of Canada by ranging far wider in your reach of contacts and discussions. You would find that what is rising in Canada is not so much anti-Americanism, as claimed by your and our right-wing commentators, but fundamental disagreements with certain policies of your government. You would see that rather than just reacting to events by drawing on old conventional wisdoms, many Canadians are trying to think our way through to some ideas that can be helpful in building a more secure world.

    These Canadians believe that security can be achieved through well-modulated efforts to protect the rights of people, not just nation-states.

    To encourage and advance international co-operation on managing the risk of climate change, they believe that we need agreements like Kyoto.

    To protect people against international crimes like genocide and ethnic cleansing, they support new institutions like the International Criminal Court -- which, by the way, you might strongly consider using to hold accountable those committing atrocities today in Darfur, Sudan.

    And these Canadians believe that the United Nations should indeed be reformed -- beginning with an agreement to get rid of the veto held by the major powers over humanitarian interventions to stop violence and predatory practices.

    On this score, you might want to explore the concept of the 'Responsibility to Protect' while you're in Ottawa. It's a Canadian idea born out of the recent experience of Kosovo and informed by the many horrific examples of inhumanity over the last half-century. Many Canadians feel it has a lot more relevance to providing real human security in the world than missile defence ever will.

    This is not just some quirky notion concocted in our long winter nights, by the way. It seems to have appeal for many in your own country, if not the editorialists at the Wall Street Journal or Rush Limbaugh. As I discovered recently while giving a series of lectures in southern California, there is keen interest in how the U.S. can offer real leadership in managing global challenges of disease, natural calamities and conflict, other than by military means.

    There is also a very strong awareness on both sides of the border of how vital Canada is to the U.S. as a partner in North America. We supply copious amounts of oil and natural gas to your country, our respective trade is the world's largest in volume, and we are increasingly bound together by common concerns over depletion of resources, especially very scarce fresh water. Why not discuss these issues with Canadians who understand them, and seek out ways to better cooperate in areas where we agree -- and agree to respect each other's views when we disagree.

    Above all, ignore the Cassandras who deride the state of our relations because of one missile-defence decision. Accept that, as a friend on your border, we will offer a different, independent point of view. And that there are times when truth must speak to power.


    In friendship,

    Lloyd Axworthy


    Lloyd Axworthy is president of the


    University of Winnipeg and a former Canadian foreign minister.
    "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013
  • Big Train
    Full Member Status

    • Apr 2004
    • 4013

    #2
    OUCH!!! COndi got served!!! Winnipeg FREE Press...what an authority.


    Please stop..this thread is embarassing. The stuff NOT mentioned in his utopian vision here are too numerous to count, yet oddly, Canadian.

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    • Warham
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Mar 2004
      • 14589

      #3
      ::crickets chirping::

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      • WACF
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Jan 2004
        • 2920

        #4
        The fact it does not work is important though....

        The article's relevancy has nothing to do with the Winnipeg free press...It was written by Lloyd Axworthy...that would be more the point.
        What is he to you...nothing...but his opinion is worth more than any reporter's.
        Condo know's who he is....
        Last edited by WACF; 03-04-2005, 05:39 PM.

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 59949

          #5
          Excellent article, Mr. Axworthy. At least there's one other honorable politician on this continent, besides Howard Dean.
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • DrMaddVibe
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6686

            #6
            Circle of Trust Canada...

            When you're out...you're out!
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            • Warham
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Mar 2004
              • 14589

              #7
              Does Mr. Axworthy believe all blacks in Canada work in hotels?

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              • Big Train
                Full Member Status

                • Apr 2004
                • 4013

                #8
                It's being perfected still. "It doesn't work" is caveman thinking..by that rationale we would be having this discussion on cold rocks next to a fire.

                It WILL work and WILL go on. The guns vs. butter Canadiens routinely make to deride the US is comical. Especially when you consider that our firepower allows you the option to buy more butter (er, Healthcare etc..) than guns. But again I repeat myself..

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                • Angel
                  ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 7481

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Big Train
                  OUCH!!! COndi got served!!! Winnipeg FREE Press...what an authority.


                  Please stop..this thread is embarassing. The stuff NOT mentioned in his utopian vision here are too numerous to count, yet oddly, Canadian.
                  You obviously do not know who Mr. Axworthy is. As WACF said, I'm sure Condi does... then again, she's BCE, wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't know.

                  Axworthy has a utopian vision? He was in politics far too long for that... he simply speaks the truth.
                  "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                  • Big Train
                    Full Member Status

                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4013

                    #10
                    No I don't nor do I care. From his words, I can see he lives in a simple world. I'm sure it hurt condi, so much so she has no comment.

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                    • Angel
                      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7481

                      #11
                      Yes, the man who: became internationally known for his advancement of the human security concept, in particular, the Ottawa Treaty - a landmark global treaty banning anti-personnel landmines; received the North-South Institute’s Peace Award for his efforts in establishing the International Criminal Court and the Protocol on child soldiers; The Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation presented him with the Senator Patrick J. Leahy Award in recognition of his leadership in the global effort to outlaw landmines and the use of children as soldiers and to bring war criminals to justice... must live in a simple world.



                      I'm sure Dr. Axworthy knows far more about the world than you could ever hope to.

                      "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                      • Big Train
                        Full Member Status

                        • Apr 2004
                        • 4013

                        #12
                        Thanks for underestimating me..no wonder Canada is always #2...

                        The guy knows about landmines that's great. He has done great things. Yay. What does that have to do with the US plans? Nothing, right..

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                        • Angel
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7481

                          #13
                          BT, you're too fucking stupid to bother with today. Get someone with half a brain like ashcroft on this... your ignorance is a real pain in the ass sometimes, and I mean ignorance in the true sense of the word.
                          "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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                          • Wayne L.

                            #14
                            Canada is a joke of a country excluding great rock bands like the Guess Who & Rush because it's citizens can't figure out whether they want to speak english or french.

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                            • Angel
                              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 7481

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Wayne L.
                              Canada is a joke of a country excluding great rock bands like the Guess Who & Rush because it's citizens can't figure out whether they want to speak english or french.
                              No, we're a smart country because we can speak both!
                              "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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