Popular Mechanics Debunks 9/11 Conspiracy Myths

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
Alrighty then... let's look at the guy's sources. Most of them are either Bush govt employees, fellow corporatist "journalists" from a Pittsburg paper owned by infamous right wing traitor Richard Mellon Scaife, or "eyewitnesses" who probably have very little to back up their story.

Let's also add to this the fact that the author of this article is named Chertoff.

Anybody recall hearing that name in the news lately?

So is this writer related to the goon that the BCE just put in charge of Reichland Security?? Given the history of nepotism within the BCE ranks, it wouldn't be surprising.

And actually, I heard this guy on some talk radio show last night. He sounded exactly like some hired hack who was paid to spew disinformation about any theories that disagree with the "official BCE story of 9-11". It's one thing to say that you don't buy some of the theories, such as the missile pods underneath the second WTC plane, for example, but quite another to dismiss absolutely everything except the BCE line. Which is an outrageous conspiracy theory within itself.

FORD, I have immense respect for you. But's that's rubbish! The conspiracy theories are more outlandish than the actual attacks. PM is no the only source addressing this, Anderson Cooper (360) has been periodically reporting on this for the past six-months.

[diamondD]

FORD, your horseshit is all based on "what if" "possibly" "could have" and "perhaps", not facts.

You don't know jack about what his dad has been ordered to do. Until you do, I'll believe him over someone who wouldn't know reality if it walked up and knocked his tin foil hat off.

And LM, I'm referring to the French journalist/author who started all of this BS in the 1st place when he released a crock of a book in Europe.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by diamondD
And LM, I'm referring to the French journalist/author who started all of this BS in the 1st place when he released a crock of a book in Europe.

I think it brought up some very interesting questions. I'm looking forward to seeing the Documentary.

I would welcome any link DD that you can provide that shows PROOF beyond a DOUBT that a Boeing Jet crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11

I want to believe it happened as they say, but........

[diamondD]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Why the need to include nationalities??

Are we supposed to trust an AMERICAN source over a FOREIGN source????

Fat chance.

You take foreign sources over American ones? Even eyewitnesses who were there?

Gee, who has more of an agenda here?

Pretty funny considering the "American Journalists" of late, i.e. Armstrong Williams, et al.....and Jeff Gannon/Guckert

Yeah, the American Press has proven so trustworthy, unbiased, and free of influence lately

wake the fuck up [/B]

If you had paid attention to what I was referring to in my post, I wasn't only referring to American journalists, I was referring about a friend of mine who I was standing next to when he heard the Pentagon had been hit, which is where he knew his dad was working. I've seen pictures he took and heard his story. There was a plane there.

You wake the fuck up. It's not that hard to comprehend if you listen to it laid out scientifically. You just hate your conspiracy bubble to burst.

You never answered my question before. Where's the wreckage of the missing plane?

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by diamondD


You never answered my question before. Where's the wreckage of the missing plane?

Certainly not in front of the Pentagon.


If you think our government is INCAPABLE of covering up something as simple as a plane crash......


We're arguing about 2 different issues here. The world media VS the US media......and The Pentagon Crash.

And I've read "eyewitness accounts" telling COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORIES

So if YOU have inside information, I'm all ears/eyes. And That's sincere, NOT sarcasm

[Warham]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Certainly not in front of the Pentagon.


If you think our government is INCAPABLE of covering up something as simple as a plane crash......


We're arguing about 2 different issues here. The world media VS the US media......and The Pentagon Crash.

And I've read "eyewitness accounts" telling COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORIES

So if YOU have inside information, I'm all ears/eyes. And That's sincere, NOT sarcasm

Do you believe that an alien ship crashed in Roswell in 1947?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Do you believe that an alien ship crashed in Roswell in 1947?

Something crashed there in 1947.

[Warham]

Lounge did.

[LoungeMachine]

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was interviewed on 12 October 2001 by Lyric Wallwork Winik (yes, that's her real name), a columnist for Parade, the magazine that comes in many Sunday newspapers across the US. Although Parade is one of the most mainstream magazines imaginable (think People meets the Saturday Evening Post), Winik blindsided Rumsfeld with a question that few reporters/interviewers have the guts to ask:

"This is a question that's been asked by many Americans, but especially by the widows of September 11th. How were we so asleep at the switch? How did a war targeting civilians arrive on our homeland with seemingly no warning?"

Rumsfeld is apparently shaken by this young reporter's forthrightness. First, he admits what few else dare:

"There were lots of warnings."

Immediately after this sentence, though, the Secretary starts to qualify it. He subtly plays the "we didn't connect the dots" card:

"The intelligence information that we get, it sometimes runs into the hundreds of alerts or pieces of intelligence a week. One looks at the worldwide, it's thousands. And the task is to sort through it and see what you can find."

Although he doesn't directly say it, it would seem that Rumsfeld is insinuating that the poor, understaffed, shoestring intelligence and defense establishments can't put together intelligence in a timely manner.

Now things get really bizarre. After admitting that there were plenty of warnings, he says it was up to the FBI and especially state and local law enforcement to deal with the imminent terrorist attack:

"And as you find things, the law enforcement officials who have the responsibility to deal with that type of thing -- the FBI at the federal level, and although it is not, it's an investigative service as opposed to a police force, it's not a federal police force, as you know. But the state and local law enforcement officials have the responsibility for dealing with those kinds of issues."

To sum up Rumsfeld's explanation: 1) The warnings were there; 2) the Defense Department and the intelligence community couldn't figure them out; but anyway 3) it was up to the FBI, state law enforcement, and local police to uncover and prevent the worst terrorist attack in US history.

And here's something to kick around. Still answering this question, Rumsfeld goes on to make a strange statement:

"It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."

"Missile"? What missile would that be? Did he let something slip? Or was this just a gaffe? A bad choice of words? A transcription error? Until we know for sure, it deserves scrutiny.

The article based on this interesting interview was "We Have to Defend Our Way of Life" by Lyric Wallwork Winik in Parade, 18 Nov 2001. The only part of the above exchange to be included is this:

To Rumsfeld, the Sept. 11 attacks did not come as a complete surprise. "There were lots of warnings," he says bluntly.

"The only way to deal with this problem," he continues, "is by taking the battle to the terrorists and dealing with them."

Now, it is pretty bold for Parade to quote him about the warnings. Of course, the magazine then skips Rumsfeld's subsequent shifting of blame and use of the word "missile," jumping right to the innocuous final sentence of the exchange.

[LoungeMachine]

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Missile-Not-Flight-77.html

Here's the link

Incredible pics as well

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Warham
Lounge did.

Weak.

Even by your standards

I've seen you do much better

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Lounge did.

Don't act like Mr. Rational Anti-Conspiracy Theory NOW Warham!

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13449&perpage=30&pagenumber=1

[LoungeMachine]

Nice find Nick.

Warpig also holds Clinton responsible for Jimmy Hoffa, Amelia Erhardt, and the framing of Roger Rabbit

[scorpioboy33]

yah nice find.
and listen LM I am a Christian (kinda Christian/taoist/buddhist) and I'm not dumb! My mom said so!...and I still like your avatar mr. meany

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by scorpioboy33
yah nice find.
and listen LM I am a Christian (kinda Christian/taoist/buddhist) and I'm not dumb! My mom said so!...and I still like your avatar mr. meany

When did I call you an ignorant non-Christian?

Do I Know your mom?


I'm confused


Or is this just more of that wacky Canuck humour that I seldom get?