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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49219

    Yaay!! Now You 30-Something Neo Con's Can Join The War on Terror!

    Any of you "macho" pussies gonna join?

    Army Raises Maximum Age For Recruits
    By Jon R. Anderson
    Stars and Stripes
    European Edition
    March 21, 2005

    ARLINGTON, Va. — Battling recruiting and retention shortfalls among its part-time soldiers, the Army is launching a new experimental policy approving the acceptance of not-so-young recruits into the ranks of the Army National Guard and Reserve.

    Dubbed a three-year "test," the new policy will bump up the maximum age for new enlistments from 34 years to 39 years, according to an Army announcement.

    The policy applies to both men and women joining the military for the first time. The older recruits will be eligible for the same enlistment bonuses and other incentives as younger volunteers, according to the announcement. Those with prior service experience interested in reserves duty remain under existing rules.

    "The program will evaluate the feasibility of a permanent change to Army Reserve Component enlistment policy," reads the announcement. The test program begins immediately and will run through September 30, 2008. Set by law, the maximum age for active-duty recruits will remain at less than 35 years old.

    The move comes as reserve recruiters are struggling to convince potential recruits to join even as unit leaders are failing to convince enough troops to stay in uniform beyond initial contracts. Hundreds of thousands of part-time citizen soldiers have found themselves facing full-time duty in the combat zones, mostly under two-year mobilization orders. Of the more than 412,000 Guard and Reserve troops who have been activated since Sept. 11, 2001, more than 63,000 have been mobilized twice, according to Pentagon figures.

    Nearly half of the forces now in the Middle East and Central Asia come from the reserve components, noted Charles S. Abell, the Pentagon's top personnel officer, in prepared remarks delivered before lawmakers March 16.

    With that as backdrop, he wrote, "This will be a very challenging year for recruiting for the reserve components particularly in the Army National Guard and Reserve," which have born the vast majority of combat deployments among reserve forces. Both the Army Guard and Reserve, he wrote "are at high risk of falling short of their recruiting objectives."

    To help stem the tide, the Army National Guard is increasing its recruiting force by more than 25 percent, adding 1,400 new recruiters. Meanwhile, the Army Reserve is nearly doubling its recruiting ranks with 734 new recruiters.

    The Army's new policy should help their efforts.

    "Raising the maximum age for non-prior service enlistment expands the recruiting pool, provides motivated individuals an opportunity to serve, and strengthens the readiness of Reserve units," according to the Army statement announcing the new policy.

    All applicants must meet the same eligibility standards, to include passing the same physical standards and medical examination.

    "Experience has shown that older recruits who can meet the physical demands of military service generally make excellent Soldiers based on their maturity, motivation, loyalty, and patriotism," reads the announcement.

    It's too early to say how much the new policy will help recruiters, but officials are hopeful.

    "The impact of the measure on meeting enlistment goals has not been forecast, but it is expected to contribute to the Army's efforts to recruit top-quality individuals," according to the announcement.
  • Warham
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Mar 2004
    • 14589

    #2
    I would have thought about it before I got married and had a kid, and was about ten years younger.

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 58813

      #3
      No excuses Warham. Support your pResident and his goddamned stupid war, if you believe in it. Sign up.
      Eat Us And Smile

      Cenk For America 2024!!

      Justice Democrats


      "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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      • Warham
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Mar 2004
        • 14589

        #4
        Originally posted by FORD
        No excuses Warham. Support your pResident and his goddamned stupid war, if you believe in it. Sign up.
        So 70 year olds who support Bush should sign up, FORD?

        Boy, you got some dumb logic there, pal.

        Obviously they can't, but they should, since they support him!

        I don't think the war is stupid, and I see no reason why we should have to sign up. The troops over there are VOLUNTEERS. I hope you can understand that word. Nobody was forced to do anything.

        You liberals act like these troops were drafted.

        The only drafts that would happen would be while a Democrat is in the White House, though, so that doesn't apply in this case.

        Last edited by Warham; 03-23-2005, 11:47 AM.

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        • LoungeMachine
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jul 2004
          • 32576

          #5
          Originally posted by Warham
          So 70 year olds who support Bush should sign up, FORD?

          Boy, you got some dumb logic there, pal.

          Obviously they can't, but they should, since they support him!

          I don't think the war is stupid, and I see no reason why we should have to sign up. The troops over there are VOLUNTEERS. I hope you can understand that word. Nobody was forced to do anything.
          You call HIS logic "dumb", yet you equate a 39 year old to a 70 year old?

          You're now a pussy AND a hypocrite.

          well done
          Originally posted by Kristy
          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
          Originally posted by cadaverdog
          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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          • steve
            Sniper
            • Feb 2004
            • 841

            #6

            70-year-old oral surgeon heeds Army’s call to duty


            By Craig Palmer

            Satellite Beach, Fla. — Dr. John J. Caulfield was incredulous about the Army's "unsolicited communication" inviting his return to active duty toward easing increasing wartime demands on military medical treatment facilities.

            Dr. Caulfield

            He disregarded the first postcard last December and the second and subsequent phone messages on the answering machine, not from any unwillingness to serve — "My government has never asked me to do anything I ever refused" — but figuring they used the wrong mailing list, it's not really me they want.

            The Army persisted. Would Dr. Caulfield, oral surgeon and Vietnam veteran, retired from military service in 1980 and civilian practice Jan. 1, be willing to return to active duty in, say, Iraq or Afghanistan? The negotiations began with Dr. Caulfield asking, "Do you know how old I am?" They did, and age doesn't matter, "We want you."

            Dr. Caulfield, who turned 70 Aug. 7, reports to Fort Benning, Ga., Oct. 17 for what he and the military describe as "voluntary deployment" with the 325th Combat Support Hospital in Bagram, Afghanistan.

            "I don't know at this time if there is anyone older," said Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, Army public affairs officer. "But there are no age limitations for retired medical professionals. We sent cards to hundreds of people. It's a personnel policy. In certain specialties we are asking for retired professionals to return for a short tour on active duty. But it's purely voluntary. It's really for a volunteer in good shape. There's a lot of need for medical professionals over there."

            How short the tour? Dr. Caulfield understands it to be a three-month assignment. "I believe it's 120 days," said Lt. Col. Hilferty.

            Dr. Caulfield sees himself as "a kind of fatalist" and Afghanistan as "moderately busy for my specialty." He invokes harsher descriptions for the requisite reconstruction of professional and military careers just to get the assignment. "Getting reactivated is a complicated, time consuming, frustrating and, yes, somewhat demeaning process," he said.

            What it meant was "vetting" the past by running down all the transcripts, personal recommendations and documentation from high school, college, professional school, internship, residency, licensure boards, hospitals with privilege, professional liability history and appointments "from everywhere I had ever practiced or been licensed." That meant affirmation from a classmate at a high school that no longer exists who said upon their reacquaintance, "John, I heard you were dead."

            So it came to this. "After clearing it with my wife of 47 years, I agreed to go anyplace where she could join me." The Army suggested Iraq. "Only if I'm really needed," Dr. Caulfield demurred. Then how about Afghanistan? the Army responded.

            "Let's put it this way, I have orders," said Dr. Caulfield. "So much for going somewhere my wife could accompany me."

            "We appreciate people like Dr. Caulfield," said Lt. Col. Hilferty. "He's a patriot. I have great respect for him."

            Dr. Caulfield, father of four, grandfather of eight, figures he's in "reasonable good health with the exception of meds for hypertension, acid reflux and a little osteoarthritis," and good to go. But he wonders if the Army Medical Service isn't "stretched thin" in having to reach for retired oral surgeons, ophthalmologists, psychiatrists, nurse anesthetists and other specialists for combat duty

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            • Warham
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Mar 2004
              • 14589

              #7
              Originally posted by LoungeMachine
              You call HIS logic "dumb", yet you equate a 39 year old to a 70 year old?

              You're now a pussy AND a hypocrite.

              well done
              I wish you could read, Lounge. Didn't I tell you to get a refund for that diploma you got?

              I said they CAN'T, but they should, according to FORD's demented logic. I'm sure FORD thinks they'll keep raising the minimum age, eventually getting up to 70, to get more bodies over there to get killed.

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 58813

                #8
                Originally posted by Warham
                So 70 year olds who support Bush should sign up, FORD?

                Boy, you got some dumb logic there, pal.

                Obviously they can't, but they should, since they support him!

                I don't think the war is stupid, and I see no reason why we should have to sign up. The troops over there are VOLUNTEERS. I hope you can understand that word. Nobody was forced to do anything.

                You liberals act like these troops were drafted.

                The only drafts that would happen would be while a Democrat is in the White House, though, so that doesn't apply in this case.
                Actually, there have been some who were more or less "forced" to go over to that shithole, and some of them were actually in their 60's and 70's. This was done through some backdoor draft manipulation, like somebody forgetting to sign one line on a form in 1973 or whatever. This is the ONLY way the BCE has been able to dodge a draft (Junior's good at that) so far.

                Of course, if they invade another country, even that's not gonna cut it.

                Don't be surprised if the draft topic comes up about 6 weeks from now. Just a hunch......
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • academic punk
                  Full Member Status

                  • Dec 2004
                  • 4437

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                  You call HIS logic "dumb", yet you equate a 39 year old to a 70 year old?

                  You're now a pussy AND a hypocrite.

                  well done
                  I have to agree here, Ham. I owned up when I went off in the wrong direction. C'mon. Stop paying lip service. You're an able bodied supporter, who is within the age confines. Put yr money where your mouth is.

                  (BTW, thi si actually bad. IF - IF - there comes a time for a draft, it makes all of us all the more eligible. except for Ford, who would obviously be 4-F.)

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                  • LoungeMachine
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 32576

                    #10
                    Either way.....

                    you're still a hypocritical pussy.

                    Not a very bright one, at that.
                    Originally posted by Kristy
                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                    Originally posted by cadaverdog
                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                    • steve
                      Sniper
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 841

                      #11

                      John Caulfield:
                      "Please you young whippersnappers in your 30s. My iron hip can't take another trip to "The Green Zone". All those metal detectors had me flying around like a Nun from a 1950s TV show.
                      Please, sign up so I don't have to!"
                      Last edited by steve; 03-23-2005, 11:57 AM.

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49219

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Warham
                        So 70 year olds who support Bush should sign up, FORD?

                        Boy, you got some dumb logic there, pal.

                        Obviously they can't, but they should, since they support him!

                        I don't think the war is stupid, and I see no reason why we should have to sign up. The troops over there are VOLUNTEERS. I hope you can understand that word. Nobody was forced to do anything.

                        You liberals act like these troops were drafted.

                        The only drafts that would happen would be while a Democrat is in the White House, though, so that doesn't apply in this case.
                        C'mon WARHAM, you can now join the USAReserve up to age 39! Active forces cut off at 35. I mean, odds are you won't get depolyed, more than once or twice. Now you can put your career/family on hold and march off to fight the War on Terra' in Iraaaq! After all, you do support OTHER PEOPLE fighting your War!


                        "I WANT YOU TO BE MY SUCKA'"
                        Last edited by Nickdfresh; 03-23-2005, 12:00 PM.

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                        • LoungeMachine
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 32576

                          #13
                          Originally posted by academic punk
                          I have to agree here, Ham. I owned up when I went off in the wrong direction. C'mon. Stop paying lip service. You're an able bodied supporter, who is within the age confines. Put yr money where your mouth is.

                          And now the backpeddling begins.......


                          Oh I would but I just had a kid...........

                          SO FUCKING WHAT, ASSWIPE. MANY OF THOSE WHO SERVED AND DIED IN THIS SHAM OF A WAR DID TOO
                          Originally posted by Kristy
                          Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                          Originally posted by cadaverdog
                          I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49219

                            #14
                            Originally posted by steve
                            http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/pu...?articleid=999
                            70-year-old oral surgeon heeds Army’s call to duty


                            By Craig Palmer

                            Satellite Beach, Fla. — Dr. John J. Caulfield...
                            WTF!?!:confused: They're actually asking a 70-year-old man to go to a War zone? I could see if they asked him to be a 'DA civilian' at a nearby base, but to Afghanistan?

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                            • BigBadBrian
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 10625

                              #15
                              Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                              Either way.....

                              you're still a hypocritical pussy.

                              Not a very bright one, at that.

                              Internet Tough Guy. Go back to hiding under your bed.
                              “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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