A Day In The Life Of Joe Republican

[academic punk]

Originally posted by DLR'sCock
AP, you're wasting your time...

It's what I do best!

[Big Train]

Oh you got me...only a liberal would think it is ok to steal in the first place, think of it as "fine arts" social assistance...That at least is a VALID business argument. Shoot me, I'm pro-commerce, in an industry that provides a job to thousands of liberals. The shame of it all, how DO I live with myself? Of course, you'd rather see those thousands of liberals out of work, so we can discuss raising the freebee rate per household..

You guys are hiliarious. The price argument is the WEAKEST of all stances you can take, but whatever, you don't want to take it to the house of music, so let's drop that ok?

[academic punk]

Dude, the precedent is that it ain't illegal. Deal.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by academic punk
FORD makes a valid point here. Repubs only see as far as thier own nose in the business world, so it was probably a Repub who thought it would be a good idea to charge 20 bucks for a god damn piece of music. after all, whatever the market can bear, right?

Well, now lookee lookee how well that's worked out...way to think towards the long-term and the repercussions of arrogant, myopic, selfish foresight.

If that's his point, it's pretty dumb. Only a Republican would think like a capitalist. Actually, I take that back, it's pretty accurate. Supply and demand is in effect in every business, including academics. I SERIOUSLY doubt your industry works on the idea of "let's just see if we can get by selling it for x". They want to make as much money as possible selling their wares. It's what allows them to be able to afford to pay you. It's pretty straight ahead.

We sealed our own fate huh? Comical. We sealed our fate by runnning a succesful and highly profitable industry for decades (which fueled the growth of larger businesses, such as AOL Time Warner), until mass thievery began taking place. If you live in the fantasy world that says "if you were better to them before, they wouldn't steal now" then I can't help you..I can only hope that your industries begin to have the same kinds of problems and you can know what it feels like to work twice as hard and only get paid on every third or fourth unit of whatever it is your company sells. The suffering I have seen you may say is justified, if it makes you sleep better at night, but it is pure grand theft and the ruination of a beautiful business. We are adapting, but what happened should have never been allowed to happen in the first place, especially when enabled by an industry (software) that itself whines about people stealing THEIR stuff. It's all about Innovation people, thinking outside the box, shifting the paradigm...shut the fuck up..

[Big Train]

Originally posted by academic punk
Dude, the precedent is that it ain't illegal. Deal.

I didn't realize you were a Supreme Court Justice...guess I'll have to deal with your appointment...

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by academic punk
Dude, the precedent is that it ain't illegal. Deal.

[FORD]

Anyone who thinks AOL merging with Time Warner was a "good thing for the business" obviously doesn't understand the Republican values which they claim to believe in.

It's that merger, plus other similar mega mergers, that has given us $18 CD's of crappy music which don't sell.

It's the mergers of oil conglomerates that have given us $2/gallon gas. And THIS is the capitalist greed which concerns me the most, as it should concern everyone.

Not because of the direct ties between the BCE and the oil industry (though that is certainly troubling) but because just about everything made in this country is shipped from one place to another by whatever means - plane, boat, railroad, or truck- all of which burn some byproduct of oil. Consequently, the price of all those goods & services (airfare, etc) will skyrocket along with the gas prices.

And in an economy which (despite BCE fraudulent claims to the contrary) is still fucked in most of the country, where millions of people have not had a significant cost of living raise in several years, that means a net pay cut every time these greedy corporate monopolist bastards tighten the screws a little more.

There's no "oil shortage". If there were, there wouldn't be RECORD oil profits every year since the BCE has occupied the White House.

Traditional Republican values support open competition in the market place. But competition has become impossible when an industry is in the hands of 4 or 5 mega-corporations, especially when those corporations have been caught price-fixing among themselves. And both things are true of the oil industry AND the music industry.

We're heading for an economic collapse in this country that will make 1929 look like a Mormon church picnic. And even then, some people will ignore the obvious and blame the whole thing on Clinton's penis.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
If that's his point, it's pretty dumb. Only a Republican would think like a capitalist. Actually, I take that back, it's pretty accurate. Supply and demand is in effect in every business, including academics. I SERIOUSLY doubt your industry works on the idea of "let's just see if we can get by selling it for x". They want to make as much money as possible selling their wares. It's what allows them to be able to afford to pay you. It's pretty straight ahead.

We sealed our own fate huh? Comical. We sealed our fate by runnning a succesful and highly profitable industry for decades (which fueled the growth of larger businesses, such as AOL Time Warner), until mass thievery began taking place. If you live in the fantasy world that says "if you were better to them before, they wouldn't steal now" then I can't help you..I can only hope that your industries begin to have the same kinds of problems and you can know what it feels like to work twice as hard and only get paid on every third or fourth unit of whatever it is your company sells. The suffering I have seen you may say is justified, if it makes you sleep better at night, but it is pure grand theft and the ruination of a beautiful business. We are adapting, but what happened should have never been allowed to happen in the first place, especially when enabled by an industry (software) that itself whines about people stealing THEIR stuff. It's all about Innovation people, thinking outside the box, shifting the paradigm...shut the fuck up..

OH BULLSHIT!! You A and R guys are a bunch old fucking mind-in-the-gutter dinosaurs that watched innovation pass you by! Thievery? HA! It's survival of the fittest! Pure capitalism plain and simple. You know the only reason why you people made so much money in the 80's is because people had to convert their libraries from vinyl to CD. What have you done since then to create a better product? Sue people for making cassette tapes? Rely on 25-year-old technology to deliver the goods? You guys are already abandoning Super Audio CD and DVD-Audio because you don't want to market a superior product, you'd rather just lose money investing in the Titny Spears of the world (her label loses money on since they pay her a salary way out of whack with her feeble record sales). Rather than capitalizing on the fact that MP3's and AAC files are inferior to even CD's, and that a newer, much better sounding format can become the industry standard (much like HDTV has been forced on us by the Fed. Gov't); you guys contiue to spew out the same tired old crappy 44.1/128kHz format that is much cheaper to produce today than it was over 20 years ago! Yet you charged higher and higher prices.

Thievery? How many artists were ripped off and thrown to the gutter by the record companies? How many artists, like the GOO GOO DOLLS, for instance, have had debut albums sell several millions and make very little on it until they can produce a follow up? You want to claim that record companies never break the law and then basically tell artists to "go ahead and sue us if you can afford a lawyer..."

I've already produced an objective study from HARVARD on downloading showing it may actually help sales, why don't you give us an OBJECTIVE study showing otherwise? Otherwise you risk sounding like a 1950's era record tool talking about how the "radio is costing us millions because the songs are free!"

[Big Train]

Like I said, if it makes you feel better at night Nick.

We are ripping off artists? That is partly true, but for you Joe (it's a theme) Downloader, you are COMPLETELY ripping off the artist, removing ANY possibility of them profiting from their work.

These arguments get sooooooo emotional. titney spears...c,mon Nick, you are a fucking teacher!! Those kids (the majority of them) LOVE titney spears and buy it in droves. So it offends YOUR personal taste (this goes for everyone)..boo hoo. Because Def Leppard or some punk band isn't ruling the charts, who cares.

To counter your format argument, I would say the EXACT opposite. We would LOVE to have a physical format customers buy in droves. Dualdisc looks to be the most likely at this point. The recent Judas Priest disc (I'll try to use examples that don't make you whine like bitches) for example, 40% of it's first week sales were in Dual Disc format. The new Joe Perry thing I know also will be in this format.

As for pricing, you get what you can get when you can get it. If you could make 38k teaching at a school, rather than 28k, your telling me you would not take it for as long as they offered it? Your screwing the children Nick and their community. Shame on you for taking 38k. Sounds pretty dumb, huh?

The "innovation" thing was a joke, aimed at the hypocrisy of the software industry (which obviously went RIGHT over you).

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh


I've already produced an objective study from HARVARD on downloading showing it may actually help sales, why don't you give us an OBJECTIVE study showing otherwise? Otherwise you risk sounding like a 1950's era record tool talking about how the "radio is costing us millions because the songs are free!"

Try , HIGHLY FLAWED study..take the brand name off and dig into it, it's pure bullshit. Their assumptions are as retarded as their results.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by Dr. Love
And then Joe Republican takes a look at his paycheck, and sees how much money is being taken away in taxes, and he begins to cry.

Not if he's rich!