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  • SweetSecrets
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    • Jun 2004
    • 924

    Compulsory Voting?

    “Freedom’s Just Another Word”
    Anna Quindlen (Newsweek - October 18, 2004)
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    “” We introduced the Australian exchange students to Honey Nut Cheerios. They introduced us to compulsory voting. In class, they’d heard about the woeful turnout in American elections. “But aren’t people concerned about paying the4 fine?” one of them asked.

    It turns out that the laid-back country in which our two curious, self-possessed and intelligent houseguests live requires its citizens to vote. Really requires it. If you don’t show up at your polling place on Election Day, you are asked to provide an excuse in writing afterward. “The dingo ate my ballot” will not do. Unless you have a good explanation – a heart attack that morning, say- you are fined. The result is that Australia has one of the highest voter-turnout rates in the world, around 90 percent.

    Lest we forget, only 51 percent of all voting-age Americans bothered to show up in the last presidential election, which means that while Australia may be a forcible democracy, we are barely a participatory one. (Unless you count participating in opining without action, an event at which Americans would win the gold medal if it ever became part of the Olympics.) Which makes me wonder: Why don’t we adopt the compulsory system the Aussies have embraced so successfully? And, on a lesser note, how come you can’t get Honey Nut Cheerios in Sydney?

    Almost by magic, I feel a hostile horde behind my desk, the many Americans who have made it their life’s work to champion reckless abandon masquerading as liberty. Their causes may vary, but the motto is unwavering: “Wanna make me?” That’s why some states have been persuaded to weaken their seat-belt laws. That’s why there are motorcycle enthusiasts who make the right to ride without a helmet sound like Rosa Park’s moving to the front of the bus. That’s why there are all those smokers who complain the gulag outside the office-building door.

    So facts can convince the rugged individualists hell-bent on emphysema or spinal injuries. Some 13,000 lives are saved each year because of seat belts. A National Highway Traffic Saftey Administration study last year showed that the severity and mortality of motorcycle accidents shot up when helmet laws were repealed. There have been studies on secondhand smoke and its link to such spread-the-death ailments as childhood asthma. Personally, I’m just happy to be able to taste my food in restaurants and not go home with m y hair smelling like that classic fragrance Philip Morris’s Eau de Fleur Tabac.

    The argument is that you should be allowed to put your own body in harm’s way if you chose. (The fact that the collateral damage and the costs for the catastrophes and long-term care are spread around among the rest of us is conveniently overlooked.) But forgoing the vote is an injury to body politic, and that’s not a personal matter. Low voter turnouts hurt everyone because they erode the notion of government by the people and for the people; when we complain that big corporations and paid lobbyists have taken over politics, we should remember that nature abhors a vacuum. In fact it’s astonishing that we’ve blithely allowed Americans to drop out of the electoral process for so long. There’s no argument about this: when we make an act optional, we inevitably suggest that it’s not that important.

    There’s been a real registration boom recently, with election boards in many states being forced to hire additional workers and schedule lots of overtime. As deadlines loomed, there were tsunamis of paper across the country. Philadelphia had its biggest jump in new registrations in 21 years. “Almost to an April 15, IRS post-office type of operation,” the elections director in Columbus, Ohio, told a reporter about the atmosphere at his office.

    Some credit the work of registration groups like the ones spearheaded by hip-hop artists or pro wrestlers; others think voters were galvanized by how tight the 2000 race turned out to be, reversing the traditional cynicism about the value of a single vote. But almost everyone who studies voting patterns cautions: just because many have registered does not guarantee that many will actually go to the polls on Nov. 2. Sad, but rue: the United States has not had 60 percent of its voting-age citizens turn out since 1968. And 60 percent is not exactly a high-water mark.

    What’s the price of freedom? How about a fine of 50 bucks? I like to be left alone as much as the next person, but there’s no point in continuing to be high and mighty about being the cradle of liberty if it’s just empty rhetoric. We laud free elections in formerly totalitarian nations, but, like a lot of what’s free, fresh air and ocean water and the like, we’ve learned to devalue the product. Democracy without participation is like a house with two walls: it just doesn’t stand up. Maybe our lackluster voting record means we’re not really interested in all that anymore, that our new message to the world might be something simpler and more modern: we make a slamming sugared cereal! “”

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    I think doing what the Aussies do would defintely help our voting situation. Yea, I know....suddenly we will have the worry of people not caring and just making a random vote. I say, at least we can get them IN the booth, then once they are in there they might actually give a thought to who they think would be the best representative of our country. If not, is that better than NO vote at all. I wonder what the Australians have to say about that?

    Fellow Americans, it's definitely something to think about.

    What do you think?
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  • academic punk
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    • Dec 2004
    • 4437

    #2
    Yay! Then we can go from wondering how politicians went from stealing elections to buying votes!

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    • Panamark
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jan 2004
      • 17161

      #3
      I think you get a more accurate result of what the country is actually thinking when everyone has a say, even after taking into account the
      donkey votes and the "vote buying" you refer to AP....
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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59614

        #4
        I don't think voting should be required. What I would like to see is that Election Day is declared a national holiday, so nobody has the excuse - real or not - of not being able to vote because of their work schedule. Either that or move the elections to the weekend. It's no coincidence that runoff elections in Louisiana - which are held on Saturdays - often have a much higher turnout than the regular Tuesday vote.

        Yet another option is everybody votes their ballot by mail. I've been on permanent "absentee ballot" status since 1992. Did so at the time because I was moving once every year or so in those days and got tired of changing my polling place every time. Since then, this county votes ALL primary elections strictly by mail, and they're considering doing so for the generals. I've lived at my current address nearly 6 years, but the only time I've gone to my "official" polling place was for last years Democratic caucus.

        The obvious benefit of all-mail ballots is that it takes the Diebold fraud off the table completely. Naturally, safeguards would need to be in place to insure ballots don't get "lost" in the mail. Sadly, our county government here is in Republican hands (even in Liberal Olympia, it happens) but they have never been accused of anything seriously suspicious to my knowledge. They have been doing mail only elections for over a decade, and know the drill. It's the other counties and other states adjusting to the system that would be the test (I'm imagining serious rises in corruption in the Florida postal system even now....)
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        • Panamark
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jan 2004
          • 17161

          #5
          It would be interesting to see what America is really thinking, as
          opposed to the handful of people that can actually be bothered to
          vote.

          I wonder how many gasbags you have in your country that have
          "strong political views" yet never vote ? You know the ones, they
          will talk your ears off forever, but its too much trouble to get off
          their ass and actually try to make a difference.....

          Hypocrisy at its finest.
          BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 59614

            #6
            see www.freerepublic.com for an example of such people.
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            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • academic punk
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              • Dec 2004
              • 4437

              #7
              Eh - I don't think it matters what day of the week an election takes place or if it's a national holiday.

              If someone wants to do it, they'll go out of their way to do it.

              BTW - P-Mark, nop way was I trying to say that Australia's system is corrupt. I was merely referring to my own fine country's habit and need of taking a good thing and perverting it to death.

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              • SweetSecrets
                Sniper
                • Jun 2004
                • 924

                #8
                Originally posted by SweetSecrets
                Well what if we didn't take the free will out of it. What if it was just a requirement to "go vote"...in other words, walk into a voting booth with your little card. What I mean is, maybe once you are in the booth, you have the option to choose a candidate or mark a box that says "I chose not to cast a vote for either side". You wouldn't be pentalized for marking this vote, so it couldn't be said that the country forced you to vote. The only thing you would be pentalized for is not showing up! Instead the requirement would just get your lazy ass in there in the attempt to vote. I think that if everyone was forced to go in there, they would chose to vote for someone. However, the freedom not to vote would still be available by marking that other box. I think this would increase voter turnout immensly, while not actually "forcing" someone to vote.

                Plus it would be interesting to see what the stats show in regards to how many people marked the "i don't care to vote box". Hey! There could even be a multiple choice requirement underneath the "I don't care to vote box", in which, if you checked that box, you could mark your reason for not voting...

                like: (a) I don't feel like it
                (b) I don't know enough to make a logical vote
                (c) I dislike both candidates
                (d) I don't want jury duty
                (e) fuck this country
                (f) other


                It would be interesting to see the stats from that, ya know?

                This way...voting is not maintatory...just showing up is. That would take care of the smart mouths who don't vote because they are too lazy to do it.
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                • Warham
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                  • Mar 2004
                  • 14589

                  #9
                  "There you go again." - Ronald Reagan speaking to FORD on the Army forum about freerepublic.com

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                  • SweetSecrets
                    Sniper
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 924

                    #10
                    [QUOTE]Originally posted by FORD
                    [B]I don't think voting should be required. What I would like to see is that Election Day is declared a national holiday, so nobody has the excuse - real or not - of not being able to vote because of their work schedule.


                    No, it just means that they would have a different excuse! :

                    - "It was a holiday, so I spent it with my kids since my work schedule is so busy."

                    - " We all went out on the boat and got drunk and had a barbcue. Who has time to vote?" (that's American!)

                    - "I slept in! It was a holiday! I didn't wake up until 3, so I just didn't go" (that would be every voter in college)

                    I think a holiday would make it worse! People would be EVEN more lazy. In fact, giving them a day off of work, is basically asking for people not to care.

                    A holiday is a holiday... We tend to let go of our business sense when we can sleep in late for a change.
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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59614

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SweetSecrets


                      No, it just means that they would have a different excuse! :

                      - "It was a holiday, so I spent it with my kids since my work schedule is so busy."


                      Because election day would still be on Tuesday, there wouldn't be a three day weekend involved. I don't know too many people that make extensive plans for holidays like Veterans Day (aside from visiting a cemetary or something) which usually fall in the middle of the week.

                      For that matter, take the kids with you. As long as they don't actually take a ballot, they could actually learn a lot about the process by observation.

                      - " We all went out on the boat and got drunk and had a barbcue. Who has time to vote?" (that's American!)

                      Sure it is, but barbecues and drinking don't start at 7 AM (unless it's a weekend kegger) You got all morning to vote. And who barbecues in November?

                      - "I slept in! It was a holiday! I didn't wake up until 3, so I just didn't go" (that would be every voter in college)

                      Polls are open until 8:00

                      I think a holiday would make it worse! People would be EVEN more lazy. In fact, giving them a day off of work, is basically asking for people not to care.

                      A holiday is a holiday... We tend to let go of our business sense when we can sleep in late for a change.
                      If people are really that lazy and/or just don't give a shit, then there's really nothing you can do for them. Shit, if getting these dominionist-fascists out of the White House wasn't enough to motivate them, I doubt a whole week off would make a difference.

                      But that's not everybody. I'm aiming for the people who really would vote, if the circumstances were different, but they work graveyard shift and sleep in the mornings, or work 12 hour shifts and are just too damned tired, or those who have to work more than one job (probably because of Junior's economy) As I said, the Saturday runoffs in Louisiana are a good indication that voting turnout would be higher on a day when the majority of the population was not working.
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                      • academic punk
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                        • Dec 2004
                        • 4437

                        #12
                        And then people could have the excuse of "I went to my polling center, but the lines were too long, so I left."

                        Don't think that doesn't happen. Think that doesn't happen? look at what happened on college campuses across Ohio.

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                        • SweetSecrets
                          Sniper
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 924

                          #13
                          FORD,

                          Yes I agree with you on all of that...

                          but the 60% of people that do vote already in this country are the type you are referring to....the type that was "raised right"...like you, I'm sure (or the good majority of us here at the ARMY) who WOULD take their children to the cemetary on VETS Day.

                          But....I'm talking about the other 40% percent of Americans who don't vote.

                          A large majority of them, do not have the ability to think like we do and understand LOGIC and FREEDOM.

                          So, we have to either educate them (which we seem to have an extremely hard time doing already) or MAKE them by throwing the fear of a "fine" in their face for not respecting freedom.

                          Doing what you say, may raise voting turn out by 5% nationwide, but that isn't worth much when considering the other 35% who would rather have a barbecue or don't care.

                          AND YES, I do know people who were intelligent and worthy of a logical vote....yet skipped out on registering to avoid things like, jury-duty.

                          And I also know a lot of idiots who would take that TUESDAY you are referring to, and run with it (in a direction far away from voting polls).
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                          • SweetSecrets
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                            • Jun 2004
                            • 924

                            #14
                            Originally posted by academic punk
                            And then people could have the excuse of "I went to my polling center, but the lines were too long, so I left."

                            Don't think that doesn't happen. Think that doesn't happen? look at what happened on college campuses across Ohio.
                            ...another example of our country's fine bureaucracy: "Let there be two voting booths set up on a campus with 500,000 students...that would really encourage them to vote during the 'government' holday!"

                            Wow, that really encourages the message to vote! (sarcasm)
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                            • academic punk
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                              • Dec 2004
                              • 4437

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SweetSecrets
                              FORD,


                              And I also know a lot of idiots who would take that TUESDAY you are referring to, and run with it (in a direction far away from voting polls).
                              In fact, I know plenty of people who'd take that Monday off and enjoy themselves a nice four-day weekend.

                              Shit, I'd absentee ballot it, and do that myself!

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