Abu Ghraib--Top Officers Cleared!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Dildo fits you to a T.

You're not even a real dick.

I already commented on your bullshit article!

Good, you can shut the fuck up now Mrs.PUSSYVIBE!

You really do have emotional problems don't you!


PS: It's not my article, it's from the Associated Press! I guess that's really different from when you choose to post articles from "The Christian Science Monitor" (a solid publication I'll admit actually). But still a 'VIBE cut and paste fool!

[DrMaddVibe]

Fuck off dildo.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Fuck off dildo.

Ahahahaha!

[Betty Bush III]

I don't condone torture unless it directly saves American lives. But I have to say this is so typical of a liberal to focus on the prison torture scandal while Americans are being killed. The traitorous liberal fairies will blink at a beheading of an American, while laboring months and years over someone sticking a pair of spiderman underwear on the head of an Iraqi. Ever seen a picture of your countryman without a head?

You people literally make me sick to my stomach. After 911 the line was drawn in sand, the men on one side and the boys on the other. This nation can't survive with your type of feeble naieve thinking. Snap out of it! If 911 didn't wake you up, nothing will.

Bury your head in the New York Times, while the rest of us support the country.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Betty Bush III
I don't condone torture unless it directly saves American lives. But I have to say this is so typical of a liberal to focus on the prison torture scandal while Americans are being killed. The traitorous liberal fairies will blink at a beheading of an American, while laboring months and years over someone sticking a pair of spiderman underwear on the head of an Iraqi. Ever seen a picture of your countryman without a head?

Did you ever take time to really think about it? How about when torture contributes to the taking of American lives? We did more for the Iraqi insurgency in the few months during the time of that prison than they could do for themselves. It was just another manifestation of the blatant incompetence by the Rumsfeld led Pentagon to use a Top Secret interrogation program designed to use against a few hardened, trained terrorists in Al-Qaida, and use those tactics on the average Iraqi picked up in a sweep or for law enforcement violations that were insurgency unrelated.

The morons YOU VOTED for handed them this great victory of propaganda, not Liberals or anyone else. And it's "stupid" people like you that give these mental defectives a free pass that make me "sick to my stomach!" There is NO accountability!

Operation Copper Green

You people literally make me sick to my stomach. After 911 the line was drawn in sand, the men on one side and the boys on the other. This nation can't survive with your type of feeble naieve thinking. Snap out of it! If 911 didn't wake you up, nothing will.

Line in the sand or oil under it? What the fuck did IRAQ have to do with 9/11!? Tell me all about that!

Bury your head in the New York Times, while the rest of us support the country.

You are not supporting the country, you are being an apologist and sycophant for a largely failed Administration BUSHEEP!

[Nickdfresh]

And let me ropost this since this thread got spammed!

Doesn't anyone find it the least bit upsetting or offensive that all of the people taking the fall for Abu Ghraib are the 'little people'/lower enlisted when the top brass was either:

A.) Incompetent beyond belief, even if you believe their stories!?

-or-

B.) Conducting (and ruining!) a (failed) covert intelligence gathering project, Operation Copper Green, and using low-level US soldiers as show-trial, cover-story fodder!?

[Betty Bush III]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Did you ever take time to really think about it? How about when torture contributes to the taking of American lives? We did more for the Iraqi insurgency in the few months during the time of that prison than they could do for themselves. It was just another manifestation of the blatant incompetence by the Rumsfeld led Pentagon to use a Top Secret interrogation program designed to use against a few hardened, trained terrorists in Al-Qaida, and use those tactics on the average Iraqi picked up in a sweep or for law enforcement violations that were insurgency unrelated.

The morons YOU VOTED for handed them this great victory of propaganda, not Liberals or anyone else. And it's "stupid" people like you that give these mental defectives a free pass that make me "sick to my stomach!" There is NO accountability!

Operation Copper Green



Line in the sand or oil under it? What the fuck did IRAQ have to do with 9/11!? Tell me all about that!



You are not supporting the country, you are being an apologist and sycophant for a largely failed Administration BUSHEEP!

Please wake up for a few seconds so you can respond. I wasn't suggesting that Abu Gahreb was not a fuck up. Obviously these prisoners were not in possession of vital information. It was a bad situation and people made mistakes that jeopardized our fantastic relations with the middle east. I understand that it MAY have put more soldiers in danger although I think more harm came from the agenda driven, over-reporting of this scandal by the left wing fairies in the media.
I'm sure it didn't help our cause that the New York times ran scandal articles on the front page over 50 times often with nothing new to report (perhaps agenda driven, right). That would be a stretch wouldn't it? Perferct propaganda material for the enemy, just like you said.. right?

Please wake up and stop being brainwashed by the establishment media and their political agenda.

Look what happened to that douche bag Dan Rather and his anti-Bush agenda. He lost his job. There's some accountability for you. We need more of that sort of justice so the world can see the truth, not your version of the facts.

Read between the lines big guy and stop being a girl.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Betty Bush III
Please wake up for a few seconds so you can respond. I wasn't suggesting that Abu Gahreb was not a fuck up. Obviously these prisoners were not in possession of vital information. It was a bad situation and people made mistakes that jeopardized our fantastic relations with the middle east. I understand that it MAY have put more soldiers in danger although I think more harm came from the agenda driven, over-reporting of this scandal by the left wing fairies in the media.
I'm sure it didn't help our cause that the New York times ran scandal articles on the front page over 50 times often with nothing new to report (perhaps agenda driven, right). That would be a stretch wouldn't it? Perferct propaganda material for the enemy, just like you said.. right?

Please wake up and stop being brainwashed by the establishment media and their political agenda.

Look what happened to that douche bag Dan Rather and his anti-Bush agenda. He lost his job. There's some accountability for you. We need more of that sort of justice so the world can see the truth, not your version of the facts.

Read between the lines big guy and stop being a girl.

Maybe if the media were a little less free all of our problems would just disappear!

Damn media, they're all responsible for the Iraqi guerilla war!

And who gives a shit about Dan Rather? What did he have to do with Abu GHRAIB?

[Betty Bush III]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Maybe if the media were a little less free all of our problems would just disappear!

And who gives a shit about Dan Rather? What did he have to do with Abu GHRAIB?

My response had to do with agenda driven news reporting. The kind that took place during Abu GHRAIB. The agenda in case you haven't figured it out was to hurt Bush and elect a Democrat. (How did that work out for you?) Dan Rather fits into this because he was fired and humiliated by trying to hurt Bush by reporting a story containing false documents. A mistake that a rookie wouldn't have made.

With cable news and internet news, the media is more free than ever you'll be happy to know. This is bad for the liberal establishment media outlets because in the free marketplace of ideas the commies are destined to fail.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Betty Bush III


With cable news and internet news, the media is more free than ever you'll be happy to know. This is bad for the liberal establishment media outlets because in the free marketplace of ideas the commies are destined to fail.

Where is the "free marketplace" when the entire fucking media is owned by 4 or 5 corporations?

In fact, the music industry, and the oil industry, among other industries are in the exact same shape.

Doesn't this LACK of a fair marketplace go against the very principles of the Republican party?

[FORD]

Anyone else figured out who "Betty Bush" and "Stillwell" really are yet?

The arrogant, know it all tone of their posts should make it more than obvious. Not to mention the way a certain ballsucker seemed to drop off the moment somebody challenged his bullshit.

[Nickdfresh]

Army criticized over Abu Ghraib probe
Report: All but one commanding officer cleared

Saturday, April 23, 2005 Posted: 9:30 PM EDT (0130 GMT)

The Army has cleared four top officers, including Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, in the abuses at Abu Ghraib.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Army drew fire Saturday for its reported findings in an internal investigation of the Abu Ghraib prison abuses -- a probe that senior Pentagon officials told CNN cleared four top Army officers in Iraq of any wrongdoing.

"This just proves that the Army cannot investigate itself," Reed Brody, legal counsel for Human Rights Watch, told CNN. "If the U.S. is going to wipe away the stain of Abu Ghraib, there has to be an independent investigation that looks at the responsibility of all those people who ordered or who tolerated torture, no matter where they are in the chain of command."

The findings of the investigation have not yet been released.

The Washington Post, citing government officials familiar with the findings, reported Saturday that the only officer who will face discipline is Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski. She was commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade, which included the soldiers who have so far been convicted in connection with abuses at the prison. The newspaper said Karpinski will receive an administrative reprimand for dereliction of duty, one that could end her military career.

"It continues to seem that she has been singled out, or targeted, for responsibility for Abu Ghraib," Karpinski's military criminal defense attorney, Neal Puckett, told CNN. "She feels like it's a shared responsibility. She accepts her part of the responsibility, but it's a shared responsibility throughout the chain of command, not just her."

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, who at the time was commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, was cleared of wrongdoing, senior Pentagon officials said.

It remains to be seen whether Sanchez will be further tainted. He handed over command of U.S. forces in Iraq to Gen. George Casey in July and called Abu Ghraib "a defeat for the coalition."

Also receiving no punishment are Sanchez's former top deputy, Maj. Gen. Walter Wojdakowski; Sanchez's former intelligence chief in Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Barbara Fast; and Sanchez's top legal adviser at the time, Col. Mark Warren.

Sen. John Warner, a Virginia Republican and chairman of the Armed Services Committee, has said he will hold a hearing on whether the investigations went far enough in determining the extent of Army leadership's involvement.
Army response

Army officials are defending the investigation.

"In response to public expectations about senior leader punishment even before findings have remained public: We are doing what our citizens expect us to do for any citizen -- protecting their rights while ensuring we find and act appropriately on the truth," said a statement issued by Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks. "We will not rush to judgment in these cases or in any others.

"The thoroughness of the investigative process preserves the rights of all individuals involved while ensuring that the presumption of innocence must be disproved by facts before any allegation is determined to be substantiated, and that must precede any potential action," Brooks said. "The recommendations and decisions are consistent with, and appropriate to, the findings of these very thorough investigations."

Maj. Elizabeth Robbins, U.S. Army spokeswoman, said the Army is briefing members of Congress on the investigation, and "we are currently not addressing questions on the findings until we have addressed the questions of Congress."

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said, "The U.S. does not tolerate wrongdoing when it comes to detainees. When we find it, we act to hold those responsible to account and take steps to prevent it from happening again."
Previous probes

A report issued in August -- dubbed the Fay report after the Army general who compiled it, Maj. Gen. George Fay -- found 44 instances of abuse at the prison, some of which amounted to torture.

The report criticized Sanchez for his handling of the situation. It did not find him culpable, but did find him "responsible for the things that happened," Gen. Paul Kern, the appointing authority of the investigation, said at the time. He said Sanchez put great emphasis on getting intelligence from prisoners to stop insurgent attacks against U.S.-led coalition forces.

He said the report found that the abuse was the result of several contributing factors, ending in "a lack of discipline and lack of leadership."

Two other reports reached similar conclusions.

An independent four-member panel headed by former Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger blamed abuses at Abu Ghraib and other prisons on a failure of leadership throughout the chain of command.

Schlesinger's panel released the results of its investigation in August, the same week Fay and Kern released their report. Schlesinger said at the time that the higher chain of command held direct and indirect responsibility but noted that there was "no policy of abuse."

"Quite the contrary," Schlesinger said. "Senior officials repeatedly said that in Iraq, Geneva regulations would apply."

A report last year by Army Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba found "a failure in leadership ... from the brigade commander on down."

He also noted that he had found "friction" between Karpinski and military intelligence brigade commander Col. Thomas Pappas, and was concerned because information about what was going on in the prison had not reached the MP brigade command.

Pappas' case and that of Lt. Col. Stephen Jordan, who directed the prison's interrogation center, are being considered by field commanders, according to The Associated Press. The two men could face criminal charges.

So far, six soldiers have been sentenced to prison terms, ranging from six months to 10 years, demoted and dishonorably discharged. One soldier was dismissed. The courts-martial of two other soldiers are pending.

CNN's Suzanne Malveaux and Kathleen Koch contributed to this report.

Copyright 2005 CNN. All rights reserved.

[Sarge's Little Helper]

Army criticized over Abu Ghraib probe
Report: All but one commanding officer cleared

Saturday, April 23, 2005 Posted: 9:30 PM EDT (0130 GMT)

The Army has cleared four top officers, including Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, in the abuses at Abu Ghraib.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Army drew fire Saturday for its reported findings in an internal investigation of the Abu Ghraib prison abuses -- a probe that senior Pentagon officials told CNN cleared four top Army officers in Iraq of any wrongdoing.

"This just proves that the Army cannot investigate itself," Reed Brody, legal counsel for Human Rights Watch, told CNN. "If the U.S. is going to wipe away the stain of Abu Ghraib, there has to be an independent investigation that looks at the responsibility of all those people who ordered or who tolerated torture, no matter where they are in the chain of command."

The findings of the investigation have not yet been released.

The Washington Post, citing government officials familiar with the findings, reported Saturday that the only officer who will face discipline is Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski. She was commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade, which included the soldiers who have so far been convicted in connection with abuses at the prison. The newspaper said Karpinski will receive an administrative reprimand for dereliction of duty, one that could end her military career.

"It continues to seem that she has been singled out, or targeted, for responsibility for Abu Ghraib," Karpinski's military criminal defense attorney, Neal Puckett, told CNN. "She feels like it's a shared responsibility. She accepts her part of the responsibility, but it's a shared responsibility throughout the chain of command, not just her."

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, who at the time was commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, was cleared of wrongdoing, senior Pentagon officials said.

It remains to be seen whether Sanchez will be further tainted. He handed over command of U.S. forces in Iraq to Gen. George Casey in July and called Abu Ghraib "a defeat for the coalition."

Also receiving no punishment are Sanchez's former top deputy, Maj. Gen. Walter Wojdakowski; Sanchez's former intelligence chief in Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Barbara Fast; and Sanchez's top legal adviser at the time, Col. Mark Warren.

Sen. John Warner, a Virginia Republican and chairman of the Armed Services Committee, has said he will hold a hearing on whether the investigations went far enough in determining the extent of Army leadership's involvement.
Army response

Army officials are defending the investigation.

"In response to public expectations about senior leader punishment even before findings have remained public: We are doing what our citizens expect us to do for any citizen -- protecting their rights while ensuring we find and act appropriately on the truth," said a statement issued by Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks. "We will not rush to judgment in these cases or in any others.

"The thoroughness of the investigative process preserves the rights of all individuals involved while ensuring that the presumption of innocence must be disproved by facts before any allegation is determined to be substantiated, and that must precede any potential action," Brooks said. "The recommendations and decisions are consistent with, and appropriate to, the findings of these very thorough investigations."

Maj. Elizabeth Robbins, U.S. Army spokeswoman, said the Army is briefing members of Congress on the investigation, and "we are currently not addressing questions on the findings until we have addressed the questions of Congress."

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said, "The U.S. does not tolerate wrongdoing when it comes to detainees. When we find it, we act to hold those responsible to account and take steps to prevent it from happening again."
Previous probes

A report issued in August -- dubbed the Fay report after the Army general who compiled it, Maj. Gen. George Fay -- found 44 instances of abuse at the prison, some of which amounted to torture.

The report criticized Sanchez for his handling of the situation. It did not find him culpable, but did find him "responsible for the things that happened," Gen. Paul Kern, the appointing authority of the investigation, said at the time. He said Sanchez put great emphasis on getting intelligence from prisoners to stop insurgent attacks against U.S.-led coalition forces.

He said the report found that the abuse was the result of several contributing factors, ending in "a lack of discipline and lack of leadership."

Two other reports reached similar conclusions.

An independent four-member panel headed by former Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger blamed abuses at Abu Ghraib and other prisons on a failure of leadership throughout the chain of command.

Schlesinger's panel released the results of its investigation in August, the same week Fay and Kern released their report. Schlesinger said at the time that the higher chain of command held direct and indirect responsibility but noted that there was "no policy of abuse."

"Quite the contrary," Schlesinger said. "Senior officials repeatedly said that in Iraq, Geneva regulations would apply."

A report last year by Army Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba found "a failure in leadership ... from the brigade commander on down."

He also noted that he had found "friction" between Karpinski and military intelligence brigade commander Col. Thomas Pappas, and was concerned because information about what was going on in the prison had not reached the MP brigade command.

Pappas' case and that of Lt. Col. Stephen Jordan, who directed the prison's interrogation center, are being considered by field commanders, according to The Associated Press. The two men could face criminal charges.

So far, six soldiers have been sentenced to prison terms, ranging from six months to 10 years, demoted and dishonorably discharged. One soldier was dismissed. The courts-martial of two other soldiers are pending.

CNN's Suzanne Malveaux and Kathleen Koch contributed to this report.

Copyright 2005 CNN. All rights reserved.

Oops. I wasn't paying attention. Tell me again what is going on.

[Betty Bush III]

Originally posted by FORD
Where is the "free marketplace" when the entire fucking media is owned by 4 or 5 corporations?

In fact, the music industry, and the oil industry, among other industries are in the exact same shape.

Doesn't this LACK of a fair marketplace go against the very principles of the Republican party?

If you can operate a mouse and a keyboard there is a free marketplace of ideas out there. The heavy hitters are owned by a few corporations, but the savvy news consumer knows to look at several sources.

Most idiots already have their mind made up before they know the facts anyhow. They look for the news that fits their submental view of the world. College students do this best.

[American Gypsy]

Politics is the entertainment branch of big industry.