So It's Only Iraqi Insurregents?

[lucky wilbury]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I am still trying to figure out how I am wrong on this; you continually insinuate that the only ones fighting us are "foreign fighters" and a few Iraqis on their payroll (like up to 200,000 counting part-timers? Though that figure is probably exaggerated). I was under the impression that this was a sectarian conflict between Sunnis and Shiites being exploited by some outside elements. But only foreign fighters with a few Iraqi criminals? Ummm-no. ludicrous! But "war is peace" I suppose in the land of LUCKY WILBURY double speak. Perhaps you know better than the military there on the ground, but I doubt it. I'm no the one that dropped the L-word here in this thread. You can play semantic games simply because this war doesn't with fit with the paradigm of the holy crusade against terrorism you continually try to present it as, but you posting here at all makes you fair game.

the iraq insurgentcy isn't all that complex; the criminal element is basically getting hired by the baathists and the baathists are dealing with the forigners and their only dealing with them because the baathists want the us out and the baathists are using the forigners as foot soliders. do the two google searches and you'll se what i mean

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Sorry though, I'll make sure never to mention your name unless I see you on online, but I have continually seen people post to FORD or other members when they are not around, and I don't recall you announcing this hiatus.

i don't thik i've ever seen people calling ford out in this forum when we know he's away for awhile ie vaction. maybe his old "friends" timpabs and top timmy did but thats old school front line. i don't mind if a debates going on an it continues over night or during the day thats the usual happenings. as far as me being away (which i should be right now). i stopped debating this weekend since the threads where there were debates came to a close and while i was waiting on mon/early tuesday i posted in the 24 thread and decieded to pad my post count in the infamous lyrics thread. i don't annouce when i'll be off the board because most times i don't know. when i get the feeling i'll be off i'll cut my posting down dramitically till its nothing important and things that can be left alone. normally i post every day so when someone sees i haven't been on or postings for a day or two its a safe bet i'll be not around for a bit something that is increasing in nature. hell i should have 5,000+ posts by now but i'm barely at 2162 i was at that mark in the first months back in the day. but i did what i did because in the current army environment if i didn't respond people would talk shit that i didn't respond and blah blah blah thats why i chimed in. and for the record if all things go as they should i'll be off again for a good chunk of time (months most likely) soon which is what i should be doing now.

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I think its comical that somebody would actually think to PM you over this. I assumed you pick this up on your own when you were passing through.

i have had other people on other boards pm me here over goings on at other boards

[bobgnote]

Godfrey is why to hurry, some.

GW Bush has profiled himself like this Crusader-rabbit git Godfrey.

Didn't help us that Ari is the same first as Sharon and FLEISCHER means 'butcher,' auf deutsch, for Dubya's first and worst WH Press Sec. So when Dubya dissed Arafat a lot, appointed Fliescher the glib geek, stand back when you note USCA 9 and 11 are both disparaged, 911 won't get you a cop too quick in NYC, and 18 U.S.C. 911 is designed to really piss off the grunts, where laws in the US and inferior jurisdictions are enforced unevenly, within the cost-cancerous, US-Abrogado media for sure.

Didn't just splat, did those buildings. Got one better if ya got the nerve. They want to build nukes right before cruise missile designs take a long walk, and we can't keep up because of the energy related cost cancer. Guys like the Pakistani kids will be able to make variously more effective cruise ordinance than we have in current service, IN A FEW SHORT YEARS.

How do I know? HEY. I come up with LOTS OF STUFF you guys like. Not enough pussy, or more of you would be out after the bullion.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Shouldn't you be making another hit record?

Oooooohhhhhh that's right. ANOTHER?????? :D :D :D

43 and retired. comfortably




Man that must piss you off:D


And Fuck LW and his "dont bring up my precious name" bullshit

The times, they are a-changin'

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
43 and retired. comfortably




Man that must piss you off:D

Not in the least, Kip. It's your taxes that are paying for my MBA.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Not in the least, Kip. It's your taxes that are paying for my MBA.

Glad to do it

[Cathedral]

My whole opinion of the Iraq war is a work in progress, but i have to say that over the last two days of family gatherings i have had an opportunity to sit with my muslim in-laws and pick their brains a bit.

One thing they all agree on is that George W. Bush had great ideals in the beginning. those i have spoken with all seem to agree that waging war against Terrorism was something that needed to happen.

But beyond that it has become a serious mistake in execution.
For one, I am now convinced that Saddam will not be tried for crimes against humanity no matter what spin you will hear about that, and the reason is that in order to convict him they will have to convict America.
I learned that Iraqi's are the least trusted muslims in the Middle East, and this comes from the mouths of muslims.

They are the kind of "garbage" that will claim to work with you to your face and then when you turn your back on them they attempt to strike you down.
America as we all new it, the way our Fathers and grand Fathers knew it, is dead and gone.

The Arab Nations are far richer than we are but the problem for them has been lack of education.
But for the last 30 years they have been sending their kids to America for that education and the tide is finally set to turn in their favor.

They have the wealth, and the new generation of Arab's has got the education to excell where we have sold out.

Right now i am trying to understand why our government sold all of us out. we make nothing anymore and are basically owned by foreign Nations as a result of that.

It has dawned on me that Saddam Hussein was not really the problem, it was his cabinet that was the problem according to those i have spoken with that were born and raised overseas.
Hell, the Arabs actually believe that Saddam will be returned to power because he wasn't really the target anyway, and it is believed by many a muslim that he will be the only one who can successfully rebuild that government.

One shocking fact i picked up on is that the muslims don't blame Saddam for his use of chemical weapons on his own people. in fact he will deny all of it and claim that he never owned any WMD's that weren't provided by the United States.

At this posting i honestly believe that Saddam Hussein will walk away from his cell a free man because there is no way to convict him without opening a can of worms that lays a large amount of responsibility on America.

Nothing we learn about this war on terror is the way we are intended to believe it is, and according to those in the know, we are not winning this war.
The insurgents are slowly sucking us dry and when it is all over they will have inherited the earth and will have the mother of all economies.

Bottom Line: Make sure your kids have great educations and can speak a few different languages because their future is the future of the One World Government and the US won't ever be top dog again.
It may be an American Company they work for, but it won't be on American soil...fucked up, ain't it?

Our politicians have sold us all down the river, sad but true, Republicans and Democrats alike, they have all fucked us over and the damage is forever, can't be fixed at this point.

[Cathedral]

Oh yeah, is there a story about Rumsfeld visiting with Saddam when he went to Iraq?
It is being printed all over the Middle East that he offered Saddam a deal to avoid prosecution.
The deal is that if he calls off the insurgency the charges will be dropped.

If the man is guilty, why offer him a deal?

This is just another thing i learned but don't know if there is any validity to it.
I am just trying like hell to get an accurate understanding of what the hell is going on in the world because we most certainly cannot trust our own media to tell us the truth about any of it.

The world has become a clusterfuck of confusion, and before it even gets said, this whole mess is far deeper and much more dangerous than any BCE conspiracy i have ever seen posted here.
It isn't just one faction of our government, it is the whole enchilada that is corrupted by greed.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Cathedral


At this posting i honestly believe that Saddam Hussein will walk away from his cell a free man because there is no way to convict him without opening a can of worms that lays a large amount of responsibility on America.

I have the world of respect for you Cat, but you're wrong on this account I believe.

I'd like to take the time to respond to some of your other points, but I'm enjoying a good Scotch right now and I don't have the time.

[Cathedral]

Like i said, my political opinions are a work in progress right now.
The main point is that no matter where you turn there is another point of view to consider.

I'm just thinking in post form today, and the Tylenol 3's don't make the thought process any clearer, lol.

We all have to admit this one thing though, there is definately a difference of opinion and fact between the two regions.
We are expected to believe what we are fed just like they are and in the meantime, people are dying on all sides.

The idea of Saddam not being tried though, according to what i am told by a select few that live in the Middle East, that is the popular opinion in the air over there.

In any case, it just reinforces the idea that we don't really have a clue what the hell is going on in the minds of our leaders or on the ground over there.

I can just see the fact that we helped arm Iraq against Iran coming back to haunt us.
But the Muslims certainly don't expect Saddam to be put on trial and that info comes from a couple of their own people.

You see, i am so sick and tired of being lied to by our media and our politicians that i would rather ask the soldier who is dusting off the sand from his boots, or the people who call the place home what the fuck is going on there.
And the point of view is considerably different than what our entire population thinks they know.

I just want the truth about it all, and that is all i am in search of.