Nixon or Clinton

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Yeah, so much though that he ordered him to be killed three times! How many meetings did BUSH have on terrorism (0), how many times did BUSH tell the CIA or the military to go after BIN LADEN? (0) Maybe BUSH should have gotten off his ass at the vacation ranch and CAMP DAVID, and payed a little closer attention!

Three times? I guess the administration's incompetance knew no bounds.

[Warham]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I LOVE how 9/11 happens, as well as N. Korea and Iran acquire nukes ALL on the Shrub's watch, yet...........

IT'S STILL BILL'S FAULT

pathetic

Yeah, it only takes a few weeks to scrounge up some nuclear weapons.



What do you think the North Koreans were doing when Bill was over there trying to be pals?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham


What do you think the North Koreans were doing when Bill was over there trying to be pals?

They were buying nukes from Rummy.

[Warham]

So it was the Clinton administration's fault!

[blueturk]

Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush lied about reasons to start a fucking war. Which is worse?

"I'm the commander — see, I don't need to explain — I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." —George W. Bush, as quoted in Bob Woodward's "Bush at War"

[Warham]

“We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st century. They feed on the free flow of information and technology. They actually take advantage of the freer movement of people, information and ideas. And they will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen.

There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. His regime threatens the safety of his people, the stability of his region and the security of all the rest of us. I want the American people to understand first the past how did this crisis come about? And I want them to understand what we must do to protect the national interest, and indeed the interest of all freedom-loving people in the world.

Remember, as a condition of the cease-fire after the Gulf War, the United Nations demanded not the United States the United Nations demanded, and Saddam Hussein agreed to declare within 15 days this is way back in 1991 within 15 days his nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them, to make a total declaration. That’s what he promised to do.

The United Nations set up a special commission of highly trained international experts called UNSCOM, to make sure that Iraq made good on that commitment. We had every good reason to insist that Iraq disarm. Saddam had built up a terrible arsenal, and he had used it not once, but many times, in a decade-long war with Iran, he used chemical weapons, against combatants, against civilians, against a foreign adversary, and even against his own people.

And during the Gulf War, Saddam launched Scuds against Saudi Arabia, Israel and Bahrain. Now, instead of playing by the very rules he agreed to at the end of the Gulf War, Saddam has spent the better part of the past decade trying to cheat on this solemn commitment. Consider just some of the facts: Iraq repeatedly made false declarations about the weapons that it had left in its possession after the Gulf War. When UNSCOM would then uncover evidence that gave lie to those declarations, Iraq would simply amend the reports.

For example, Iraq revised its nuclear declarations four times within just 14 months and it has submitted six different biological warfare declarations, each of which has been rejected by UNSCOM. In 1995, Hussein Kamal, Saddam’s son-in-law, and the chief organizer of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program, defected to Jordan. He revealed that Iraq was continuing to conceal weapons and missiles and the capacity to build many more.

Then and only then did Iraq admit to developing numbers of weapons in significant quantities and weapon stocks. Previously, it had vehemently denied the very thing it just simply admitted once Saddam Hussein’s son-in-law defected to Jordan and told the truth. Now listen to this, what did it admit? It admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability notably 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs.”

“And some day, some way, I guarantee you, he’ll use the arsenal. And I think every one of you who’s really worked on this for any length of time believes that, too.”

If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program. We want to seriously reduce his capacity to threaten his neighbors. I am quite confident, from the briefing I have just received from our military leaders, that we can achieve the objective and secure our vital strategic interests. Let me be clear: A military operation cannot destroy all the weapons of mass destruction capacity. But it can and will leave him significantly worse off than he is now in terms of the ability to threaten the world with these weapons or to attack his neighbors.”

“Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.”

[Warham]

“The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government – a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people.”

[jojo2371]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I LOVE how 9/11 happens, as well as N. Korea and Iran acquire nukes ALL on the Shrub's watch, yet...........

IT'S STILL BILL'S FAULT

pathetic

actually Iran has been seeking and developing nukess for about 12 yrs and as for North Korea they got their start from Clintons sale of nuke technology to them ,which he was warned against by the state dept. and the DOD ,but he did it anyway cuz the North Koreans promised it was only gonna be used for civilian energy,even Albright owned up to what a mistake that was on Meet the Press .... as for Nixon and Clinton , both will always be remembered for Watergate and Lewinsky ,but i will give tricky dick the nod for having the decency to resign and say enough is enough ,were as bubba got caught in a lie and decided his best course of action would be to lie his way out of it

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I LOVE how 9/11 happens

Let me see....

8 years vs 8 months..... Yeah, it's Clinton's fault.

as well as N. Korea

and Iran acquire nukes ALL on the Shrub's watch, yet...........

IT'S STILL BILL'S FAULT

pathetic

Iran hasn't actually acquired nukes yet, according to your beloved UN. Go try again....harder.

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Man, that was an understatement:D

For such a clueless post you seem to be spending some time on this thread.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
“We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st century. They feed on the free flow of information and technology. They actually take advantage of the freer movement of people, information and ideas. We simply cannot allow that to happen. "

Can anybody deny the blatant FASCISM in that statement??

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by jojo2371
actually Iran has been seeking and developing nukess for about 12 yrs and as for North Korea they got their start from Clintons sale of nuke technology to them ,which he was warned against by the state dept. and the DOD ,but he did it anyway cuz the North Koreans promised it was only gonna be used for civilian energy,even Albright owned up to what a mistake that was on Meet the Press .... as for Nixon and Clinton , both will always be remembered for Watergate and Lewinsky ,but i will give tricky dick the nod for having the decency to resign and say enough is enough ,were as bubba got caught in a lie and decided his best course of action would be to lie his way out of it

Oh how brilliant! KEN STARR spends billions investigating all of these alleged abuses by the CLINTONs and comes up that BILL cheated on his wife, which was the right-wing square one during his first campaign! Hillary is correct (about the "Vast Right-Wing conspiracy), she's not my favorite of people, but during those years I was sickened that every possible allegation put forth by some right-wing group trying to subvert the will of the people by other-than-electoral means, no matter how ridiculous, was investigated by these assholes like STARR. That's what made me "a Liberal." These right-wing, so-called Christian movements are fundamentally anti-democratic. And they are trying to fundamentally reinvent the gov't by revising history and our secular heritage!

Nixon was trying to use the fucking CIA to block the FBI's investigations into the Watergate "money-trail." That's why "DEEP THROAT" did what he did.

NIXON did a lot more than to just authorize the break of DNC Nat'l HQ, he was allowing his paranoia to wreck democracy and the rule of law. A far cry from a fucking intern-administered blowjob. And NIXON only resigned after he knew he was going to jail.

Again, what's illegal about getting your cock sucked? How does that subvert democracy?

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
Can anybody deny the blatant FASCISM in that statement??

Funny you say that, since that's Bill Clinton in 1998.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
Funny you say that, since that's Bill Clinton in 1998.

Hillary must have written it then. And Junior obviously took it seriously and put it into practice.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Warham
Funny you say that, since that's Bill Clinton in 1998.

Now that was a BURN. :D

Somewhat wasted though, since we can pretty much all agree that fascism isn't a word fairly associated with Clinton. I'm sure many of you can come up with different words. But I always liked ol' Slick Willie.