New Election Process

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by FORD

Just like I thought. There is proof that Rossi won the election in Washington, but the peoples choice will not get to lead that state. There is no proof that Diebold influenced the election. Just your psychotic theories.

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by FORD
Well, whatever you used to call it, it ceased to exist on December 12, 2000 when 5 BCE appointees on the Supreme Court stopped the legal and constitutional process of counting votes, in order to install their favored candidate.

That is neither Democracy OR Republic.

YOu forget the people spoke loud and clear and re-electeed the president this past November. It still exists.

[FORD]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
There is proof that Rossi won the election in Washington

No there is not. And a conservative judge said so yesterday Also the conservative Secretary of State's office has said so repeatedly.

Unlike the partisan thieves Harris of Florida and Blackwell of Ohio, the Secretary of State here is an elected official, and can't be the chair of a candidate's campaign (as both Cruella and Uncle Tom were)

[TEUFEL HUNDEN]

Originally posted by FORD
Well, whatever you used to call it, it ceased to exist on December 12, 2000 when 5 BCE appointees on the Supreme Court stopped the legal and constitutional process of counting votes, in order to install their favored candidate.

That is neither Democracy OR Republic.

I'll agree with you on that one. Some people say we have an oligarchy in this country now because the Supreme Court is practically making law which is supposed to be done only thru Congress. That 2000 vote should have gone to the House I believe.

[FORD]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
YOu forget the people spoke loud and clear and re-electeed the president this past November. It still exists.

Half the people didn't speak at all. And of those who did, the Chimp's alleged victory was 50.8%

Even assuming that was an accurate count (which it wasn't) that's hardly "loud and clear".

[4moreyears]

Originally posted by FORD
Half the people didn't speak at all. And of those who did, the Chimp's alleged victory was 50.8%

Even assuming that was an accurate count (which it wasn't) that's hardly "loud and clear".

YOu mean half the people chose not to vote. If they chose not to speak does that quilify as having a voice???

JH

[FORD]

Originally posted by TEUFEL HUNDEN
I'll agree with you on that one. Some people say we have an oligarchy in this country now because the Supreme Court is practically making law which is supposed to be done only thru Congress. That 2000 vote should have gone to the House I believe.

I'll bet you felt differently about the House deciding such things before 1994, didn't you?

It's true that Congress makes laws and the judicial interprets them. The 7-2 vote of the Supreme Court which said that Florida should have one uniform standard was a reasonable interpretation of the law. The 5-4 decision to stop the vote count, rather than establish that standard was NOT.

[FORD]

Originally posted by 4moreyears
YOu mean half the people chose not to vote. If they chose not to speak does that quilify as having a voice???

JH

No, it qualifies as the system being so corrupted by fascist corporatist pigs, that half the voters don't bother.

A real candidate might have brought them out. Judas IsKerryot and Junior the Trained Monkey certainly didn't.

[TEUFEL HUNDEN]

Going along with the title of this thread. I would be very cautious to change any process AS LONG as its in step with how it was originally done. Weve strayed in doing this. Our Founding Fathers researched their history on how things were done, then they used the best example that would safeguard our liberties. BUT when the people (us) dont take the time to teach our children these things then thats when tyranny comes in.

[TEUFEL HUNDEN]

Originally posted by FORD
I'll bet you felt differently about the House deciding such things before 1994, didn't you?

FORD, all I know is when I read the Constitution and see the specific 18 numbered powers that Congress has. What the states specifically arent allowed to do.Then its easy to see that both the Republicans & the democrats are guilty of not following their oath of office and therefore little by little they erode our liberties. I say we are now Land of The Safe and Home of The Weak.

[FORD]

Originally posted by TEUFEL HUNDEN
I say we are now Land of The Safe and Home of The Weak.

And I'm sure you remember what Ben Franklin said about that...

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety".

Fortunately, he also said...
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

So if the reality of the first quote is too depressing, at least embracing the second will make you feel better for a little while

[steve]

With a Republican Congress and EXec Branch, the laws will never change to make it more convenient for working class people to vote.

Originally, voting was on Tuesday because it was "Court Day" - and it was CONVINIENT for farmers. Now it is about the least easy day for folks that have jobs, kids, etc.


Not to mention, DC will never attain gain representation with a Republican controlled Congress and Exec Branch...it is totally partisan.

Senator Herb Kohl (Democratic senator from Wisconsin) has been trying to get a weekend voting act passed for a DECADE...but with no luck.

http://kohl.senate.gov/~kohl/voting.html

Kids aren't tought Civics in school any more. Today's generation is not empowering themselves in their own democracy. Until that changes, things like this, symbolic of Democratic institutions slipping away from control of of the middle class, will continue to happen.

[TEUFEL HUNDEN]

Originally posted by FORD
And I'm sure you remember what Ben Franklin said about that...

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety".

Fortunately, he also said...
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

So if the reality of the first quote is too depressing, at least embracing the second will make you feel better for a little while

good 'ol Ben had one hell of a sense of humor! These Founding Fathers didnt take shit from anyone when it came to their freedoms. In fact I think good old Ben would have gone apeshit over the new Supreme Court ruling about mary jane. If anything that is left up to the states or the people to decide if it is illegl or not. Not the Oligarchy.

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
The solution is simple

5) NO NEWS COVERAGE of national elections will be allowed until the polls are closed in Hawaii. Period. No projections, no predictions, no Bush cousins on FAUX spinning it for the family.

Glad you mentioned the news coverage before Hawaii closes. I remember Dan Blather on CBS proclaiming Al Gore won Florida in 2000 before the polls even closed in THAT state.

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
None, since they never got a complete one.

They got plenty, and the AP and every other news organization went down there and counted, and Bush still came out on top.