Joe Biden in 2008

[Warham]

I'd like to see Howard Dean get the nomination.

Then, the week before election day, I'd put money on the Republican nominee winning in a landslide.

[Guitar Shark]

Howard Dean has less chance of winning than Hilary does. And that's the truth.

[Warham]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Howard Dean has less chance of winning than Hilary does. And that's the truth.

Exactly why I want to see it happen!

[Guitar Shark]

Can the DNC chair even put his name in the hat? Or does his position preclude him from running?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
FORD, someday I hope you can grasp the reality that the Dems lost because they failed to pick the right message and put the right candidate out there.

That much is true. The DLC forced Judas Iskerryot on us. The primary was a joke. It was manipulated from day one.

They were out-strategized. If the Democratic leadership keep inventing excuses based on fraud, conspiracies, and the like, they will never win.

So you support Sore Lossi Rossiman questioning election results, and wasting 8 months and God knows how much Washington State Taxpayer dollars, but you categorically dismiss the possibility of any fraud in Ohio, or in the state ruled by the Chimp's brother?

Not very consistent, Counselor.

The fact is that every vote must count and every vote must be counted or NO election results can ever be trusted.

Quit with the impeachment stuff already, that's just ridiculous. Won't happen. Spend your energy on other things.

I'm sure a lot of Nixon fans said the same thing in 1972.

Granted the whore media and partisanship make it more difficult now, but the Chimp's crimes are also far worse than Nixon's, and it goes without saying that it's far worse than a blow job.

[Warham]

Bush isn't going to be impeached, and not for a more simple reason that the Republicans control both houses. It's not gonna happen. He'll be out of office before the Democrats even get a whiff of having the majority back. Hell, it'll probably be another twenty years before that happens.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
So you support Sore Lossi Rossiman questioning election results, and wasting 8 months and God knows how much Washington State Taxpayer dollars, but you categorically dismiss the possibility of any fraud in Ohio, or in the state ruled by the Chimp's brother?

Not very consistent, Counselor.

The fact is that every vote must count and every vote must be counted or NO election results can ever be trusted.

Don't talk to me about inconsistent positions. You are the king of those.

The Washington vote tally was very different from the Ohio and Florida situations. There were two machine recounts before the final hand count. King County was the last county to submit its tallies on the hand recount, and it magically came up with enough votes for Gregoire to win, notwithstanding the fact that the elections director, to this day, cannot say that the results are accurate. Rossi didn't blame the results on some Diebold crap. He pursued the case to find out if there was any merit to the belief of many that a highly Democratic county twisted its numbers to achieve a victory for the Dems. I'm troubled by the events here and you should be too. In the case of Ohio and Florida you have absolutely NO evidence to support the view that the election would have been overturned with a hand recount. In fact, my recollection is that the evidence showed otherwise.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Warham
Bush isn't going to be impeached, and not for a more simple reason that the Republicans control both houses.

And apart from that, there's no evidence I'm aware of that he has broken any laws. A lot of us (myself included) think he exaggerated the facts to justify invading Iraq, but I don't see how it rises to the level of an outright lie.

[Warham]

As long as it's a Democrat that wins by fraud, FORD isn't going to lose sleep.

I really haven't heard FORD complain too much since 2000 about how all the major networks called the state of Florida for Al Gore an hour before the polls were even closed in that state. Alot of voters in the panhandle, which is in the central time zone, and highly conservative, probably decided not to vote after hearing that on the radio on the way to the polls. Many analysts suggest that Bush lost as many as 10,000 votes just for that reason alone.

[thome]

why should one state pull more elec college votes than the maj
of the state to the left or right of it
Thats how confused most voters are why vote .One , two, ten thousand
votes dont even matter You're vote does'nt make a diff.

[FORD]

Columns
Bob Fitrakis

Deep Throats and Stolen Votes
June 3, 2005

Ironically this week, Mark Felt, former Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, revealed that he was Watergate's "Deep Throat" and perhaps the most famous whistle-blower in our nation's history, but the embattled Deputy Director of the Hocking County Board of Elections (BOE) Sherole Eaton, Ohio's most well-known whistle-blower, may be fired for courageous attempt to expose alleged election tampering.

Eaton suggests that there are many potential Deep Throats throughout the Buckeye State: “…There are staff on other boards that would not come forward with things, and they have shared things with me. They were afraid they’d lose their jobs,” she told the Free Press.

The Executive Committee of the Hocking County Democratic Party met behind closed doors at a Logan, Ohio senior center on Thursday, May 26 to discuss the forced resignation of Eaton by the Hocking County BOE. Sources within the Democratic Party told the Free Press that a majority of the Executive Committee members were backers of Eaton and confronted Democratic BOE members Gerald Robinette and Susan Hughes who had voted to fire Eaton.

Eaton made national news during the Ohio presidential recount when she swore in an affidavit that Michael Barbarian, a Triad technician, had removed a hard drive from the BOE’s main vote tabulator and replaced it with another. She further alleged that Barbarian offered a “cheat sheet” so that the computer tally would match a small random hand count of votes. Under Ohio law, if 3% of the votes match the certified total, the remaining 97% of the votes do not have to be hand recounted.

Eaton claimed that she suspected that Barbarian was doing this in other counties as well. Triad is responsible for counting 41 of Ohio’s 88 counties.

“Bottom line is, it was against the law for him to come in there and take the hard drive off. We had not even had the official count yet and he had the hard drive off with all the votes on it,” Eaton explained.

Regina Prater, the Chairperson of the Hocking County Democratic Party, refused to comment on what went on during the Executive Committee meeting, but she did tell the Free Press, “Susan Hughes is going to see the Secretary of State and I’m going to make an appointment to try to get ahold of the Attorney General and have an appointment with him. We’ll have another meeting June the 9th and this will come to a head.”

Ohio law provides that all members of the Board of Elections are appointed by and serve at the pleasure of the Ohio Secretary of State. Tradition allows the county Democratic and Republican Parties to appoint or approve board members. Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the 2004 Bush-Cheney re-election campaign in Ohio, has argued that the bi-partisan nature of the board of elections helps prevent election fraud.

In emails obtained by the Free Press, Democrats are alleging that Hughes bypassed the Democratic Party and appointed herself to the Hocking County BOE with the acquiescence of Blackwell. Hughes seconded the motion to fire Eaton.

The Free Press has learned that a majority of Democratic Executive Board members plan to remove Robinette and Hughes as Democratic BOE members. This may well provoke a crisis and answer the question of who really controls the paying positions on the Ohio Boards of Elections.

In October, Blackwell threatened to fire any BOE officials who did not follow his often controversial and contradictory directives concerning voter registration and vote counting in Ohio. Eaton was the only BOE official to publicly blow the whistle on recount irregularities.

“I got nothing but praise during the election and after the election. The chairman of the board [Robinette] stood up at a Democratic meeting twice and said what a wonderful job the Board of Elections did through the election . . . Now he’s saying, after the Triad thing, …he told the chairman of the Democratic Party, Regina Prater, I am not a team worker and therefore I should not be in that office any longer,” Eaton said.

Eaton, a 65-year-old widow who is scheduled for brain surgery on June 6, arrived at the May 26 Hocking County meeting and was greeted by a group of supporters. She told the Free Press, “I just feel really good in that I’m surrounded by good people, and that they want our democracy back. To get the fair votes, fair election officials, fair board members, just fair people that will come out and speak the truth.”

--
Bob Fitrakis is co-editor, with Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman, of DID GEORGE W. BUSH STEAL AMERICA'S 2004 ELECTION?, available at www.freepress.org.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Weak.

You can do better.

Or maybe not.

I wonder how many more people the guy in your avatar will assault and batter! :p

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I wonder how many more people the guy in your avatar will assault and batter! :p

If you must.............




Rush Guitarist Sues Over Florida Hotel Altercation
06.03.2005 9:11 AM EDT

Lawsuit names three sheriff's deputies for illegal arrest, excessive force.
Less than two months after accepting a plea bargain that spared him a possible 10-year prison term, Rush guitarist Alex Lifeson has gone on the offensive.

On Thursday, attorneys for Lifeson (born Alex Zivojinovich) filed a lawsuit in U.S.





District Court in Fort Myers, Florida, against three Collier County sheriff's deputies, claiming they'd used excessive force when arresting him following a New Year's Eve 2003 altercation at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel restaurant in Naples, Florida, according to a report by The Associated Press.

The suit — which seeks unspecified monetary damages for injuries, pain and suffering, mental anguish and the legal defense fees — additionally names Lifeson's son Justin and daughter-in-law Michelle as plaintiffs, while the hotel and its director of security were also listed as defendants.

Lifeson was celebrating the advent of 2004 with relatives and friends at the hotel when the incident occurred (see "Rush Guitarist Considers Suit Alleging Police Brutality"). Lifeson's son and some of his friends riled the hotel's security staff when they climbed onto a performance platform, where the house band was taking a break, the AP reports. Security called deputies in to escort Justin from the premises, and "applied illegal and unjustified force, and such force was excessive, causing plaintiff Justin severe discomfort and pain."

When Alex Lifeson tried to intervene, police broke his nose and zapped him four times with a stun gun. A Taser gun was also used to subdue Lifeson's son. The suit also alleges Michelle Zivojinovich was arrested illegally, after complaining about the excessive force used against her husband.

According to Lifeson's arrest report, the Canadian guitarist shoved a female officer down a stairwell — a charge he's denied — and spat blood in another officer's face. Lifeson, who was described in police documents as being "extremely intoxicated" and "extremely violent" at the time of the melee, spent two days in jail, on charges of aggravated battery on a law-enforcement officer, resisting arrest and disorderly intoxication.

On April 21, Lifeson and his son accepted plea agreements, calling for them to each plead to a single misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest without violence. Both were sentenced to a probationary period of one year, and ordered to pay court costs, according to the AP. A charge against Lifeson's daughter-in-law — resisting arrest without violence — was dropped on April 11.

— Chris Harris

[BenJammin]

Don't know about who the Dems will run in '08, but the arrogance of the current administration and the way the GOP swings their mighty sword of dominance will be their ultimate downfall (and it could haunt them for awhile).

Except for the most diehard right wingers, I believe that most sensible people don't like to see the country swing too far left or right.

Everything needs balance or else it spins out of control. Anyone feel a tailspin coming on?

Yin and Yang baby!

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Kerry
Edwards
Leiberman
Clinton
Clarke

I'll take Biden over any of them. If you think of someone better, by all means let me know.

Geez, is that the head of the list ??

Kerry had his chance, nuff said....

Edwards just bored me, it seemed that the Dems tried to use the Kennedy philosophy (young, good looking in a non-gay way) in matching him up with Kerry... But it seemed he had the personality of a gnat....

Leiberman, nice guy, but sorry, but he's Jewish, ain't gonna happen in today's society....

I guess I'd grudgingly accept Biden, anyone but Hillary...

I don't care how many strides women have made in politics, this country will NEVER elect a woman President, regardless of political party....

Or least in my lifetime....

And Clarke, is that GNR's Gilby Clarke ??