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  • blueturk
    Veteran
    • Jul 2004
    • 1883

    Oh well , at least she tried...



    Mom of fallen soldier leads Bush protest
    Woman met with Bush shortly after her son's death


    Updated: 10:49 a.m. ET Aug. 7, 2005
    CRAWFORD, Texas - A determined mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who has pledged to hold a roadside peace protest near President Bush’s ranch until he talks to her said Sunday that she met with the president shortly after her son died.

    Cindy Sheehan, 48, of Vacaville, Calif., said she was among several relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq who were invited to meet with Bush in June 2004 at Fort Lewis near Seattle, Wash.

    She said her meeting with Bush occurred two months after her son, Casey, was killed in Sadr City, Irag, on April 4, 2004. Since then, she said, various government and independent commission reports have disputed the Bush administration’s claims that Saddam Hussein had mass-killing chemical and biological weapons — a main justification for the March 2003 invasion.


    “I was still in shock then,” Sheehan said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. “It takes about eight or nine months for the shock to subside. Now, I’m angry. I want the troops home.

    “All of those reports prove my son died needlessly. This proved that every reason George Bush gave us for going to war was wrong.”

    Sheehan has not seen Bush, but she did talk for about 45 minutes on Saturday with Steve Hadley, Bush’s national security adviser, and Joe Hagin, deputy White House chief of staff, who went out to hear her concerns.

    Appreciative of their attention, yet undaunted, Sheehan said she planned to continue her roadside vigil, except for a few breaks, until she gets to talk to Bush. Sheehan, who formed a group called Gold Star Families For Peace, has spoken out against the war across the nation.

    She alleged that Secret Service agents in Crawford were trying to coerce her into leaving. She said the agents have told protesters that if they stay along the road, about five miles from Bush’s ranch, they may be hit by Secret Service vehicles.

    The Secret Service in Washington said it was unaware of any such incidents.

    “We respect the right of the public to demonstrate to express their views,” said Secret Service spokesman Jonathan Cherry. “Our goal is to have a safe environment for our protectees — in this case — the president — and the demonstrators who want to express their views.”

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    • academic punk
      Full Member Status

      • Dec 2004
      • 4437

      The above story is getting waaaay too much press attention for it not have been set up and arranged. It's a not at all uncommon situation, yet she knew EXACTLY where to set up camp so as not to get arrested, she's got the perfect quotes for the soundbytes, and plus she's all over the media.

      Kind of like Rosa Parks, this all sounds prearranged, and is going exactly according to plan.

      What does surprise me is how low support for the war is now in these latest polls: only THIRTY-FOUR PERCENt approval rating for the war???

      Insane...

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      • thome
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Mar 2005
        • 6678

        And in this corner weighing in at ten thousand proper subjects verbs
        nouns and predicates the LOUNGE LIZZARD.

        In the red trunks.weighing in with the weight of the world on his shoulders GW the Texas dyslexic Bad Speaker Speller ECT..

        You are out classed out educated out of the closet.Bush would clean
        your clock.DING !

        LOL!

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        • blueturk
          Veteran
          • Jul 2004
          • 1883

          Originally posted by academic punk
          The above story is getting waaaay too much press attention for it not have been set up and arranged. It's a not at all uncommon situation, yet she knew EXACTLY where to set up camp so as not to get arrested, she's got the perfect quotes for the soundbytes, and plus she's all over the media.

          Kind of like Rosa Parks, this all sounds prearranged, and is going exactly according to plan.

          What does surprise me is how low support for the war is now in these latest polls: only THIRTY-FOUR PERCENt approval rating for the war???

          Insane...
          What's insane is how surprised you are at the low support for the war. The main argument for invading Iraq in the first place was because of non-existent WMD's. When that fell through, the war became a war against terrorism, even though Bush has admitted there is no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. This is Dubya's war, not because of terrorism but because Junior had a personal grudge against Saddam Hussein. 1700 Americans have died, but Osama bin Laden is still free. Saddam Hussein is in jail, and The Chimp is happy.

          You sheep seem to have forgotten about bin Laden as well.
          Last edited by blueturk; 08-07-2005, 03:23 PM.

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          • Warham
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Mar 2004
            • 14589

            Originally posted by academic punk
            INteresting question.

            They CAN potentially have their karma affect them in this lifetime - punishment, rejection, etc.

            If they continue to act in bad manners throughout their life, then they will either die a violent, painful death and/or enter a purgatory, but never find "grace".

            Or their karma could affect them in their next life - they could be reborn as something undesirable, or handicapped, or any numer of other "punishments" or means of balancing the scale.

            No different really than religion - if someone finds God - and actualy Mark David Chapman is a good example - they CAN be "found". (Chapman - Lennon's killer - now actually runs a Christian bloc in his prison.)

            As Christianity acknowledges - we are all sinners...it is what you do with the sin and if you learn and grow from it that matters.
            Karma still doesn't work well. So you did bad deeds in the last life, and come back as a handicapped person (sounds un-PC to me). Then you live a bad life as a handicapped person and come back as a dog. Then you live a good life as a dog and come back as a human. Then you live a bad life as a human and get shipped back down to dog level.

            It's insane. Karma doesn't work, but Christianity does as there's only ONE life to live. Not thousands over millions of years to reach some sort of 'spiritual nirvana'.

            If you don't take Christ as your savior, that's it. There is no second chance, there is no merit to any good deeds you did. It's eternity in hell. So, in my above example, if you were that guy who killed those twenty people, you wouldn't have to wait a few lifetimes to get your just deserts, you'll just have to wait until the end of this one and only life to find out that you've got a lifetime ticket of endless damnation.

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 59658

              If karma is real, then somewhere out there is a Black Jewish lesbian who used to be Adolf Hitler. And for an added touch, maybe she lives in Palestine where she can be terrorized by Sharon's stormtroopers.
              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • Warham
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Mar 2004
                • 14589

                :D

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                • academic punk
                  Full Member Status

                  • Dec 2004
                  • 4437

                  Originally posted by Warham
                  Karma still doesn't work well. So you did bad deeds in the last life, and come back as a handicapped person (sounds un-PC to me). Then you live a bad life as a handicapped person and come back as a dog. Then you live a good life as a dog and come back as a human. Then you live a bad life as a human and get shipped back down to dog level.

                  It's insane. Karma doesn't work, but Christianity does as there's only ONE life to live. Not thousands over millions of years to reach some sort of 'spiritual nirvana'.

                  If you don't take Christ as your savior, that's it. There is no second chance, there is no merit to any good deeds you did. It's eternity in hell. So, in my above example, if you were that guy who killed those twenty people, you wouldn't have to wait a few lifetimes to get your just deserts, you'll just have to wait until the end of this one and only life to find out that you've got a lifetime ticket of endless damnation.
                  But that's mistaken, too, as I understand it. (and we've all simplified that concept of "karma" a bit much...it's a bit more than this, and more progressional and logical...)

                  But back to Catholicism, ANYONE can still be "saved", or "born again".

                  Otherwise, if you've sinned once - even if it was simply "lust", than you're damned for all time. People like our very own ELVIS would be lost, because it took his spiritual conflicts and obstacles to help him find Christ in the first place.

                  And with that logic, since you're ALREADY lost anyway, why not just keep on sinning? What's the use of repenting? Heck, even Jesus on the cross blessed the thief by his side, and promised that Heaven would be his.

                  As for karma, maybe think of it in terms if you wish bad or poorly towards another person, a co-worker, a boss, an ex-wife, whatever. just by doing that, you have allowed stress to come into your life, b/c your thoughts are focused on something not uplifting. As a result, you're walking around pissed off, you've got a chip on your shoulder, and you're angered. Anhd of course all your bad wishes are not going to cause a building to fall on the person's head anyway, so what's the point?

                  But if you walk away from bad situations, and are able to keep a positive outlook, even from a scientifiuc standpoint, you are more apt and able to release endorphins and serotonin into your brain, thus making you feel good.

                  Again, an oversimplificatimn

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                  • Warham
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 14589

                    People who are lost don't believe they've sinned or are sinning, until the desire for Christ enters their life. Then the blinders come off.

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                    • academic punk
                      Full Member Status

                      • Dec 2004
                      • 4437

                      Originally posted by Warham
                      People who are lost don't believe they've sinned or are sinning, until the desire for Christ enters their life. Then the blinders come off.
                      So it IS possible for a murderer to find Christ and save his soul, right?

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                      • Warham
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 14589

                        Yes, it is. But the repentence has to be true.

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                        • academic punk
                          Full Member Status

                          • Dec 2004
                          • 4437

                          Originally posted by Warham
                          Yes, it is. But the repentence has to be true.
                          Well, that's akin to a BROAD understanding of karma then.

                          As oyu understand it, what is the ocncept of predestination, and do you believe in it?

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                          • Warham
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 14589

                            Predestination? Predestination as I understand it means that God the Father has chosen who will be saved in eternity past. That he instills the desire to believe in Jesus Christ in a person's heart, otherwise they would never come to Him. That he has an active part in their choice.

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                            • Nickdfresh
                              SUPER MODERATOR

                              • Oct 2004
                              • 49570

                              Originally posted by Warham
                              Karma still doesn't work well. So you did bad deeds in the last life, and come back as a handicapped person (sounds un-PC to me). Then you live a bad life as a handicapped person and come back as a dog. Then you live a good life as a dog and come back as a human. Then you live a bad life as a human and get shipped back down to dog level.

                              It's insane. Karma doesn't work, but Christianity does as there's only ONE life to live. Not thousands over millions of years to reach some sort of 'spiritual nirvana'.

                              If you don't take Christ as your savior, that's it. There is no second chance, there is no merit to any good deeds you did. It's eternity in hell. So, in my above example, if you were that guy who killed those twenty people, you wouldn't have to wait a few lifetimes to get your just deserts, you'll just have to wait until the end of this one and only life to find out that you've got a lifetime ticket of endless damnation.
                              So you don't really have to be a good person nor do good works, just say that you accept CHRIST as your personal savior? Are those the rules?

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                              • BigBadBrian
                                TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 10625

                                Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                                So you don't really have to be a good person nor do good works, just say that you accept CHRIST as your personal savior? Are those the rules?
                                Just saying it is not enough. You have to mean it, feel it, believe it. Then you will exemplify it. Good works will follow. That doesn't mean you're infallible, of course.

                                Good works are, of themselves, not the "ticket to Heaven" as Catholics preach.

                                “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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