Mick Jagger to Junior: "You're full of SHIT!"

[Big Train]

Originally posted by academic punk
Eek! Ask and ye shall receive indeed!

I see your point, and had already consiered it...but this is the kind of controversy that DOESN'T sell: it erodes sales.

The Stones get sufficient publicity just for releasing a new album and from sponsors. Thisis the sort of thing - and Jagger is WELL aware of this - that can jeaporidize some sponsorships. (the same happneed on the Voodoo tour when Keith called Sprint cell phones - the tour's sponsor - "shit".)

If the Stojes want controversy, they could have just written a song about the pleasures of anal sex. And in the first place, they're in a position where they can simply coats: the album only sells a bit, it's the tour that generates their income.

Its a calculated risk and one they are willing to take. I'm sure it will give them some spike. Remember, the story on this album is about "artistic integrity" and a "return to form". That is the PR story and what they hope will sell more albums. To some people, controversy = integrity.

They know the tour is gonna do well, it is on autopilot and not their focus, but it is all about getting their album numbers up to keep getting their huge guaranteed advances. As I work in the business, the rumblings I'm hearing from the label is that they all want it to do much bigger numbers than the last one. Both sides need a "hit" album, on a superstar level. Gotta keep your status up.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by Big Train


Neocon IS about wealth. Policy IS about wealth, who has and who has not.

Your flock is calling, BT.

"This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elites; I call you my base."

George W. Bush at a New York campaign speech - October 19, 2000

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Big Train
Its a calculated risk and one they are willing to take. I'm sure it will give them some spike. Remember, the story on this album is about "artistic integrity" and a "return to form". That is the PR story and what they hope will sell more albums. To some people, controversy = integrity.

They know the tour is gonna do well, it is on autopilot and not their focus, but it is all about getting their album numbers up to keep getting their huge guaranteed advances. As I work in the business, the rumblings I'm hearing from the label is that they all want it to do much bigger numbers than the last one. Both sides need a "hit" album, on a superstar level. Gotta keep your status up.

"to keep getting huge advances"?

I've alwasy figured that this is the last, as Charlie is sure to retire now...he's over 65! (and at the Stones workrate, the next one wouldn't be out till Mick anbd keith are both in their 70's!)

Besides, just on the strength of potential box sets and collections, the Stones could generate contracts with huge advances.

But look at say Steve Earle or the Dixie Chicks: their songs and public statemtns re: the curretn administration have HURT their commercial potential and alienated HUGE parts of what had and could have been potenital audience. Mick is far too savvy for ANYTHIG not to have been a "calculated risk", but, really they could've even gone after Tony Blair and it would've been a "safer" gamble.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
In your opinion they vote against their interests.

Let me ask you Nick, do you KNOW the guy? Do you know who he hangs out with and what he is vested in? He hangs out with a lot of so-called "Neo Cons'" and they watch his money. The companies he is invested in I'm sure qualify as "working against american interests".

I don't know them anymore than you do. And as far as JAGGER, he doesn't vote here at all...But WARREN BUFFETT made several comments essentially saying BUSH was bad for the economy in the long run and that his policies were unsustainable (i.e. massive deficit spending).

Neocon IS about wealth. Policy IS about wealth, who has and who has not.

No...no it's not. You fundamentally misunderstand the whole belief system of LEO STRAUSS, the worlds first NEOCON....It's about establishing a new American identity, and maybe making a lot of money doing it. But is seems to have morphed into making a quick buck and self-destructing in the long term.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by academic punk
"to keep getting huge advances"?

I've alwasy figured that this is the last, as Charlie is sure to retire now...he's over 65! (and at the Stones workrate, the next one wouldn't be out till Mick anbd keith are both in their 70's!)

Besides, just on the strength of potential box sets and collections, the Stones could generate contracts with huge advances.

But look at say Steve Earle or the Dixie Chicks: their songs and public statemtns re: the curretn administration have HURT their commercial potential and alienated HUGE parts of what had and could have been potenital audience. Mick is far too savvy for ANYTHIG not to have been a "calculated risk", but, really they could've even gone after Tony Blair and it would've been a "safer" gamble.

Your right, Mick IS far to savvy. Look at all the heat on this album now, that otherwise would have just been "the new Stones Album". As far as advances go, it is about having the OPTION to continue getting them. At their age, when it is over, it is over. Ask Neil Young, his next contract will be a fraction of his current one, just because he doesn't put up the numbers anymore.

The way they played it last week and then played coy this week tell you all you need to know. They did it for the publicity, got it and now want us to all let it slide.

[Warham]

Mick's downplaying it now, saying it really isn't an attack on Bush, just policies.

[academic punk]

I'm not so sure....it was publicity on a very small scale...not really worth the potential backlash.

And it turns out one of the tour sponsors IS a major contributor to the RNC. The article was in the Post today, and just as a side mention to the fact that the company is currently under investigation. I'll google it in the morning...

[Big Train]

On a SMALL scale? It's been all over print/news media for the last 2-3 days, taking up serious priority real estate. How is that small?

And for further proof, check the Drude Report right now. Neocon Governator will be in a box @ Fenway Aug 21st. with a box full of Neocon donors, who paid several thousand dollars apiece for the tix (given by the Americorp/quest, the sponsor), with proceeds going to the RNC....HA HA HA HA

My sweet neocon indeed.

[Warham]

Mick's just trying to get FORD to buy several copies to give to his liberal friends as Christmas gifts.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
Mick's just trying to get FORD to buy several copies to give to his liberal friends as Christmas gifts.

Mick knows that I'll buy a Rolling Stones album the day it is released, even if I haven't heard ANY of the songs on it.

The fact that the songs (so far) on this one are so good is just a big plus. And lyrics against neocons and the BCE make it even better

[diamondD]

For the last couple of morning, Brian Kilmeade on Fox and Friends keeps harping over and over about how it's anti-Bush and anti-American, even tho he doesn't offer any specifics on what exactly is anti-American about it. He keeps implying it is and gets emails supporting his position. He even contacted the NFL and they told him they are keeping them. I'm sure they aren't going to get political during the broadcasts before football.

They had one guy asking why we needed British artists at an American event, but then he couldn't answer why Paul McCartney was ok to have at the Superbowl.

The Stones have had controversial songs their whole career. Under My Thumb, Some Girls, Brown Sugar, Mother's Little Helper, and even the tepid High Wire. The NFL knew who they were getting and Kilmeade's trying to create something out of nothing. They need to take him off and put my girl Kiran Chetry in his spot full time.

[academic punk]

Besides, the larger question here is should the New York Times not report on anything regarding oil b/c they accept ad dollars from BP and Volvo?

Should you have to think that everything that Warner Bros records does is wonderful (or at least turn a blind eye towards policies oyu strenuously disagree with) b/c they employ you?

The publicity the Stones have gotten out of this...I don't know, they get just as much just for existing. Really. And again, they can generate a pseudo controversy much easier without potentially alienating 50,000,000 Americans and losing retail space at Wal-Mart or FYE or whatever (and that DOES happen: look at Sheryl Crow or Prince).

Besides, the lyrics so far DO sound tongue-in-cheek, and for all we know it's an ersatz punk tune or a pardoy country tune. And as Mick himself said in response to Jesse Jackson calling for Some Girls for being banned b/c it featured the lyric "Black girls just wanna get fucked all night/I don't have that much jam!"

"Hey, fuck 'im if he can't take a joke"

[Big Train]

Originally posted by academic punk


Should you have to think that everything that Warner Bros records does is wonderful (or at least turn a blind eye towards policies oyu strenuously disagree with) b/c they employ you?

The publicity the Stones have gotten out of this...I don't know, they get just as much just for existing. Really. And again, they can generate a pseudo controversy much easier without potentially alienating 50,000,000 Americans and losing retail space at Wal-Mart or FYE or whatever (and that DOES happen: look at Sheryl Crow or Prince).

Besides, the lyrics so far DO sound tongue-in-cheek, and for all we know it's an ersatz punk tune or a pardoy country tune. And as Mick himself said in response to Jesse Jackson calling for Some Girls for being banned b/c it featured the lyric "Black girls just wanna get fucked all night/I don't have that much jam!"

All I'm saying is that I think it was a coy stunt they thought they could pull off and honestly, it is working brilliantly. Nobody is THAT outraged over an opinion and everyone seems to be rolling with it, although certain forms of media are obsessed with it.

Thank WB thing made me spit up my coffee, thank you for brightening my day. It has been some time since I have done anything with WB and watching them fall apart as I have, I think it could be a long time before I do, if ever.

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
For the last couple of morning, Brian Kilmeade on Fox and Friends keeps harping over and over about how it's anti-Bush and anti-American, even tho he doesn't offer any specifics on what exactly is anti-American about it. He keeps implying it is and gets emails supporting his position. He even contacted the NFL and they told him they are keeping them. I'm sure they aren't going to get political during the broadcasts before football.

They had one guy asking why we needed British artists at an American event, but then he couldn't answer why Paul McCartney was ok to have at the Superbowl.

The Stones have had controversial songs their whole career. Under My Thumb, Some Girls, Brown Sugar, Mother's Little Helper, and even the tepid High Wire. The NFL knew who they were getting and Kilmeade's trying to create something out of nothing. They need to take him off and put my girl Kiran Chetry in his spot full time.

Kilmeade is a fucking moron. I mean just look at this fucker........

.....does this face say "I need a major fucking ass kicking" or what?

This fuckwad is so goddamned dumb he makes Hannity look like fucking Einstein by comparison.

And the only reason he gave Paul McCartney a pass was because of that useless "Freedom" song, no doubt.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Big Train
All I'm saying is that I think it was a coy stunt they thought they could pull off and honestly, it is working brilliantly. Nobody is THAT outraged over an opinion and everyone seems to be rolling with it, although certain forms of media are obsessed with it.

Thank WB thing made me spit up my coffee, thank you for brightening my day. It has been some time since I have done anything with WB and watching them fall apart as I have, I think it could be a long time before I do, if ever.

I agree, it is certainly a coy stunt, but that doesn't mean it's not heartfelt. But all of your points have been valid - just a different perspective.

What the fuck did happen with WB??? Anything you'd like to divulge? They really once were an artist (and A&R) label...Van Dyke Parks, Randy Newman (produced by Waronker!), so many great artists who maybe didn't sell so well, but always had good music...then suddenly it all fell apart and now they're just another shitty corporate label.

Was it how radio has changed? how marketing has? shareholders making too much stink? what the hey?