peace vigils?

[Ally_Kat]

Dear fellow journalists,

Which marketing/PR guy came up with the idea for you to call war protests "peace vigils"? Surely, as well-educated journalists, you would know a war protest when you saw one; Especially since some of you have been reporting since Vietnam.

In case you somehow fail to see the difference, I shall tell you. A virgil deals with meditation and prayer to help deal with emotions. A group gathers together to mourn, to pray, to gain hope, etc. They do not wave signs calling people cowards or wishing others have died. Candles are used and prayer can be group, individual, or various throughout the night. They do not give journalists and camera crews their grieving schedules for optimum news footage, they do not need coporations to give them money for their gathering, and they don't make press conferences.

Vigils have their history in religion. They started out as prayer gatherings to help prepare for a Holy day. They have sprout off for other causes. There are often AIDS vigils and even vigils held for world peace; But those vigils are nothing like the protests you call peace vigils and are more instep with the religious vigils. I could go on at how I find it ironic that a religious-based gathering would be used as a way to market a war protest by people who would side on the hiding of religion from public view and use, but that would take away from my main point.

And in case this point is still not clear, I shall now provide pictures of real vigils and your so-called peace vigils.

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[Phil theStalker]

Save
Troops
Send
Bush

hhaha

[Warham]

Peace vigils my ass.

Like the 'peace vigil' outside Walter Reed, where they are lining up faux-caskets along the roadside.

Great thing to see for those vets and their families coming in and out of the facility, eh?

Treehuggers don't support the troops.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Warham
Peace vigils my ass.

Like the 'peace vigil' outside Walter Reed, where they are lining up faux-caskets along the roadside.

Great thing to see for those vets and their families coming in and out of the facility, eh?

Treehuggers don't support the troops.

Warhammy,

There are some peeps who are Pro-peace!

Send Bush!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Peace vigils my ass.

Like the 'peace vigil' outside Walter Reed, where they are lining up faux-caskets along the roadside.

Great thing to see for those vets and their families coming in and out of the facility, eh?

Treehuggers don't support the troops.

What's a tree hugger? I've never hugged a tree for fear of scratching my balls on the bark. This is of course bullshit, the vast majority of liberals DO support the troops...

There are of course a few radical dickwads on both sides, leftists that berate US servicepeople and fail to see them as manipulated victims of a poor policy, ones that deserve respect as the guardians of freedom...

And of course the hubris filled, chickenhawk extreme rightests that see US personnel as little more then expendable plastic armymen, whose lives are to be played with and expended in their giant whiz-bang fantasy sandbox...

It's the BUSH Administration that the majority of Americans now do not support...

The war spin continues...

In anycase, I can feel the love in the air man! Groovy baby!!

[Warham]

You don't know what a treehugger is? Come on, Nick!

Treehuggers are the ULTIMATE liberal, the kind that come from PETA, etc.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
You don't know what a treehugger is? Come on, Nick!

Treehuggers are the ULTIMATE liberal, the kind that come from PETA, etc.

You don't even know what a "Liberal" is fool. Just just have your half-assed definitions spoon fed to you...

Originally posted by Rikk
Liberalism is a political current embracing several historical and present-day ideologies that claim defense of individual liberty and private property as the purpose of government. It typically favors the right to dissent from orthodox tenets or established authorities in political or religious matters. In this respect, it is sometimes held in contrast to conservatism. Since liberalism also focuses on the ability of individuals to structure their own society, it is almost always opposed to totalitarianism and collectivist ideologies, particularly communism.

The word "liberal" derives from the Latin "liber" ("free") and liberals of all stripes tend to view themselves as friends of freedom, particularly freedom from the shackles of tradition. The origins of liberalism in the Enlightenment era contrasted this philosophy to feudalism and mercantilism. Later, as more radical philosophies articulated their thoughts in the course of the French Revolution and through the nineteenth century, liberalism equally defined itself in contrast to socialism and communism, although some adherents of liberalism sympathize with some of the aims and methods of social democracy.

Classification in a consistent manner is made difficult by the tendency of the dominant strain of liberalism in a region to refer to itself simply as "liberalism" and reject that identification for other minority positions. Since the word "liberalism" can not only refer to a variety of distinct political positions in different countries but can also range from being highly complimentary to being a term of abuse, the connotations of the word in different political cultures can be starkly different.

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I like trees, by I don't know what that has to do with PETA...'Cause I like steak too...

[Warham]

I have a question for you Nick. Why has almost every major political candidate recently who's been asked if he's a liberal brushed it off (I'm looking at you, Jean Francois)? Isn't it something to be proud of, according to your definition?

Also, that recent Supreme Court decision (majority rule by liberals) regarding eminent domain totally destroys that definition you just put up, since they don't seem to think private property rights are that important.

[Ally_Kat]

Nick, you forgot the notice ontop of that Wikipedia entry:

Note: This entry discusses liberalism as a world wide ideology, not its manifestations in any specific country. Content specifically about American Liberalism can be found at American Liberalism.

That's Classical Liberalism and what the Libertarians follow. What we're talking about it Modern Liberalism.

Classical liberalism is a political and economic philosophy, originally founded on the Enlightenment tradition, that tries to circumscribe the limits of political power and to define and support individual liberty and private property. The phrase is often used as a means of delineating the older philosophy called liberalism from modern liberalism, in order to avoid semantic confusion.

Modern liberalism (also called American liberalism or new liberalism) is a political philosophy that emphasises mutual collaboration through liberal institutions, rather than the threat and use of force, to solve political controversies. Modern liberalism, as a branch of liberalism, contends that society must protect liberty and opportunity for all citizens.

Modern liberalism was a development of liberalism in the early 20th century that originated with the writings of liberal thinkers such as Lujo Brentano, Leonard Trelawny Hobhouse, Thomas Hill Green, John Maynard Keynes, Bertil Ohlin and John Dewey. Rejecting both radical capitalism and the revolutionary elements from the socialist school, modern liberalism emphasized positive liberty, seeking to enhance the freedoms of the poor and disadvantaged in society. Franklin Roosevelt and Prime Minister Winston Churchill were key political proponents of modern liberalism.

Modern liberalism, also called new liberalism, is very different from the ambiguous term neoliberalism, a name given to various proponents of the free markets and also to some conservative opponents of free markets, such as mercantilistic conservatives, in the late 20th century's global economy. The ambiguous term neoliberalism has been used to describe the policies of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, since it advocates positions contrary to many of those taken by modern liberals.

The use of the term modern or "new liberal" has fallen out of favor in recent years. Since modern liberalism attained dominance primarily in the United States, it is usually referred to as American liberalism. In the United States, the terms "liberal" and " American liberal" are used to denote modern liberalism rather than neoliberalism, libertarianism, or classical liberalism.

[Warham]

Liberals belive in government programs, handouts, welfare, entitlements, etc. In other words, bigger government. It must have cut Clinton deep when he had to sign that welfare reform in '96.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
Conservatives belive in the largest government expansion in history, defense contract handouts, corporate welfare, tax cuts for billionaires who don't pay taxes in the first place, etc. In other words, bigger government.

[Warham]

Clinton handed contracts to Halliburton as well.

[Warham]

Lyndon Johnson presided over a larger expansion in government than Bush, who is not a fiscal conservative.

[UNCLAX72]

those people in that picture look like freaks

[UNCLAX72]

Originally posted by FORD

christ.... does this post lack alll intelligence
conservatives dont want government
Billionares do pay taxes unlike the exact opposite welfare dependant people