Where are they???

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
That's not true, I heard yesterday that global warming would have nothing to do with this. Warmer water temps. don't necessarily make for more hurricanes. This is more likely a decade cyclical thing.

While it may not affect the frequency (and I just don't know), I'm pretty sure that warmer water temps increase the severity and ferocity of hurricanes.

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by Seshmeister

The US does create half of all the greenhouse gasses in the world which is no mean feat for 4% of the worlds population.

U.S.A.!! U.S.A.!! U.S.A.!!



and as to the meat of the thread;

nick is right. the U.S. gives physical and financial aid to countries that have had a disaster hit, that don't have the ability to do it themselves.

the U.S. does. we can make the search and rescues. and we can rebuild the infrastructure and take care of the victims.

honestly, if russia said, "we'd like to send a search and rescue team," we would politely decline. the world's greatest S&R teams are already here.

mind you, if the damage was widespread enough, we'd accept help. and i'm sure it would be offered.

but as bad as the damage and the loss of life is here, it's small potatoes to us, country-wide.

[Cathedral]

I don't want their fucking help. they'd only bitch because we took it or worse, think we owe them something.

No Thanks, we'll take care of our own problems and continue letting them owe us.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
and as to the meat of the thread;

nick is right. the U.S. gives physical and financial aid to countries that have had a disaster hit, that don't have the ability to do it themselves.

the U.S. does. we can make the search and rescues. and we can rebuild the infrastructure and take care of the victims.

honestly, if russia said, "we'd like to send a search and rescue team," we would politely decline. the world's greatest S&R teams are already here.

mind you, if the damage was widespread enough, we'd accept help. and i'm sure it would be offered.

but as bad as the damage and the loss of life is here, it's small potatoes to us, country-wide.

This is absolutely true. We don't need the help. And with all of the insurance policies in the world's largest economy and with the new $2 an hour illegal Mexican labor there's actually going to be a short term economic boom in the south.

[m_dixon1984]

Please...Canada always helps out...we helped during 9/11 both here (letting redirected flights land at Canadian airports) and NYC (firefighters and rescue workers helped out - arriving from all over the country but mostly Quebec and Ontario).

When Ivan struck there were large contigents of Canadians that volunteered for cleanup and worked with the Red Cross.

Trust me, if Katrina has done the damage it seems to have done, Canadians will be there to help.

M

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
Please...Canada always helps out...we helped during 9/11 both here (letting redirected flights land at Canadian airports) and NYC (firefighters and rescue workers helped out - arriving from all over the country but mostly Quebec and Ontario).

When Ivan struck there were large contigents of Canadians that volunteered for cleanup and worked with the Red Cross.

Trust me, if Katrina has done the damage it seems to have done, Canadians will be there to help.

M

If I had a neighbor like you've got, on 9/11 I'd have called the cops on them. And, I'd keep my eye on them after that one, indeed.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Phil theStalker
This is absolutely true. We don't need the help. And with all of the insurance policies in the world's largest economy and with the new $2 an hour illegal Mexican labor there's actually going to be a short term economic boom in the south.

Exactly, Bush will just borrow another $10 billion from the Chinese and the problem is solved.

The $10 billion will be recycled into $9 billion of reconstruction work plus $1 billion in campaign funds for the Republicans from the companies that get the work.

The taxpayer then pays back the Chinamen.

That's the way the system works.

Cheers!

[m_dixon1984]

We haven't learnt a thing from 9/11. Seriously, I was returning from the US a few weeks ago and a friend I met came back with me (US citizen, no passport, only an Arizona driver's license and some Virginia ID with a current mailing address). Didn't matter anyway...the Canadian Customs agent didn't ask either of us for ID. A few questions (where were you? why? where you going? how long for?), then we were let through. I couldn't believe it!! 4 years after 9/11 and people can still get through a Canadian border crossing without showing any ID. I don't need to keep an eye on the US I need to keep that eye trained on my own front door.
M

BTW - for those interested in coming up, that was the Vermont border crossing, I91 North.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
We haven't learnt a thing from 9/11. Seriously, I was returning from the US a few weeks ago and a friend I met came back with me (US citizen, no passport, only an Arizona driver's license and some Virginia ID with a current mailing address). Didn't matter anyway...the Canadian Customs agent didn't ask either of us for ID. A few questions (where were you? why? where you going? how long for?), then we were let through. I couldn't believe it!! 4 years after 9/11 and people can still get through a Canadian border crossing without showing any ID. I don't need to keep an eye on the US I need to keep that eye trained on my own front door.
M

BTW - for those interested in coming up, that was the Vermont border crossing, I91 North.

I don't know if anybody noticed, like Germany Homeland Security, but there are these big lakes in North America between the American and Canadian borders. I own a beach on an island in Lake Erie and my whole life I've been crossing the border in a small boat to do my fishing. Back and forth, back and forth, all day long I go wherever the fish are and I never see even a game warden. That's important too, because I've never had a fishing license in my entire life. Fuck authority.

QUESTION:

Hey, who are the freaks of the world who want to sneak into the U.S. or Canada and they see the north and south land crossing borders wide open, the Great Lakes water borders are wide open, and the east and west coast lines without anybody there to "search" you for thousand of miles of coast line of these borders and then somebody who really wants to "sneak" in goes through a fucking airport that's loaded with cameras everywhere and a cadre of $7 an hour imperial forces who were flipping burgers before they got those jobs and municipal city police, maybe a few reservists with M-16's -- for your little daughter and son to see the FREEDOM in the land where their fathers died, land of the Pilgrims pride? Yes, this is a question. Do you see the question mark? A long sentence question.

Anybody got any answers?

[Phil theStalker]

The answer is, the REAL America, the American PEOPLE, are going to realize they (not Bush and Cheney whose friends need the bases, and they have UK "friends," too, i.e., BP) don't need ANY bases in the Iraq just like they don't need ANY bases in Vietnam or there is going to be WWIII this time around.

Where are the lessons learned of Vietnam to the American people? Where are the lessons learned of Vietnam on America to the UK people?

Vietnam was a growing pain of the new nuclear age, and of the American people. If they have not learned anything from those disastrous times and at the price and cost of human lives on both sides of the war, then they will make the mistake again by letting corporate politicians put bases in foreign lands for profits and not liberty, while all the while claiming democracy is coming to Vietnam or Iraq just to fool the foolish a little longer, who believe the altruistic, unselfish, need for ultimate sacrifice lies about these wars.

These people who seize power for gains and ambitions are people of destruction and profits and the best thing I can say about them is that we have trials and prisons waiting for them. That's what I say, while others may and will say, line them up against a wall and shoot them.

Reality and history confirm both will happen whenever the people have been unjustly taken advantage of their lifes, limbs, and property by a despot or despotic, authoritarian government that circumvents the will of the people.

The American people want peace. They want cheap fuel. They want prosperity again and not an oligarchy economy and government. They will get what they want, peace and prosperity (life, limb, and proptery), be at friendship with their neighbors fellow nations of the earth, and the getting on of the business of staying away from wars while dealing with opposing ideologies.

That's a successful outcome of good government (peace and prosperity).

War is a failure of government.

We now have a failure in government in the U.S..

The UK also has a failure in it's government.

And we're all going to have to start fixing it.

If you think things are bad now just wait until the people move on this failure of government in the U.S. in a major way.

[DrMaddVibe]

Re: Re: Where are they???

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well seeing as we're the richest nation that has ever existed on the face of the EARTH, I'm guessing we can handle it ourselves....

The scale of human and property loss is nothing compared to the tsunami....

BTW, you can donate to the RED CROSS Relief fund if you want.

That's not even funny.

You'd bleed your heart and blather on about tsunami aid to island nations where most wore coconut bras and didn't have a transistor radio to listen to to alert themselves to the "big wave" and berate others about how we're supposed to open up our wallets and give while we faced hurricanes in Florida...now you have the "courage" to state we can suck it up because we're rich.

Fuck you commie bastard!

[Nickdfresh]

Re: Re: Re: Where are they???

Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
That's not even funny.

You'd bleed your heart and blather on about tsunami aid to island nations where most wore coconut bras and didn't have a transistor radio to listen to to alert themselves to the "big wave" and berate others about how we're supposed to open up our wallets and give while we faced hurricanes in Florida...now you have the "courage" to state we can suck it up because we're rich.

Fuck you commie bastard!

Wow Ms.FagVibbe, wrong on so many levels...as usual. Typical racist, ignorant blather from an AMERICAN IDOL watching fuck bag...

Gee, I guess radio warnings are really useful when nobody can afford a radio, but I digress...

When did I berate anybody from "opening their wallets" for FLORIDA? I just berated you for being such a whiny bitch...

Say cunt, why don't you further go rationalize why 40% of our Guardsmen/Reservists are in the Middle East, which is hampering the relief effort? No, it's all my fault...

I didn't say anything of the kind, I merely stated a fact. We are far richer than any other nation on earth ever has been. So how is money an issue?

I can tell you're really outraged over this, so here is something to make you feel better..




BTW idiot, who posted the RED CROSS donation link, so even foreigners can donate? It wasn't you dick bag. So fuck off! I can tell how concerned with things you really are...

[Cathedral]

It really isn't worth arguing over, guys!
How many other countries so far have offered up anything anyway?

None yet that i know of, but we'll see if that changes in the next day or two.

Only 20% of the people in N'awlen's had flood insurance so the tax payer, that's you and I, will be footing the brunt of this bill on top of finally peaking and possibly shooting way over $3 bucks a gallon for gas.

The only plus is that there is so much needed to rebuild, it may actually help generate jobs and revenue before it's over.

We are Americans and our ability to bounce back is as strong today as it ever was.
FTW (Fuck the World), if they send aid, fine.
If they don't then that's fine too.

[scamper]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Only 20% of the people in N'awlen's had flood insurance

Amazing, but not surprising

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by scamper
Amazing, but not surprising

I agree, cause the shit is very expensive in areas below sea level, and worse still at the coast lines.
And after the payout here those premiums will go higher still.

I can't get flood insurance here where i am, it isn't offered.
But i live on a wooded hill so my priority was Tornado and Fire Insurance.
i just wish i wasn't so close to the damn Golf Course, lol.

Some people really need to work on their swings.