Attention Right Wingers: Your worst nightmares are coming true in New Orleans

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
God knows I'm no engineer or biologist......


But WHY the FUCK are they pumping that petri dish back into the Lake????

i'm fuckin with ya lounge,

but what else could you possibly do with it?
pump it back into the sea? that's about your options.

[LoungeMachine]

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States’’

— Noah Webster, 1888

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States’’

— Noah Webster, 1888

but you still ended up with the 'right to bear arms'.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ashstralia
i'm fuckin with ya lounge,

but what else could you possibly do with it?
pump it back into the sea? that's about your options.

Given those 2 options, then YES


Diluted into a few trillion gallons as opposed to a few million?

Stands to reason.


Where's George Costanza when ya need 'im?

He's a Marine Biologist

[Big Train]

What I find very amusing in this thread is this: Ford is ALWAYS jacking off about how Bush is a "jackbooted Nazi fascist etc"...Yet in this instance he is calling Bush to task for NOT being a jack booted fascist in time, rolling over the constitution and the balance of power....C,mon pal, I love to listen to your wacky timelines and predictions, but pick a path and be consistent at least...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ashstralia
but you still ended up with the 'right to bear arms'.

Therein lies the rub.

I'm a pacifist.

I'm PRO gun control.

But I'm highly suspicious when well known "gun nuts" suddenly want to disarm people.

Like I said, my shit-detector is in the red.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Big Train
, I love to listen to your wacky timeline

Nothing "wacky" about FORD's timeline on the FEMA FUCKUP


Put down your copy of My Pet Goat long enough to see the CHIMP once again was AWOL


C'mon, BT

Even the Cons in here agree FEMA was FEEBLE


Where does the buck stop, again???

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
What I find very amusing in this thread is this: Ford is ALWAYS jacking off about how Bush is a "jackbooted Nazi fascist etc"...Yet in this instance he is calling Bush to task for NOT being a jack booted fascist in time, rolling over the constitution and the balance of power....C,mon pal, I love to listen to your wacky timelines and predictions, but pick a path and be consistent at least...

Wanna translate that into English? I'm not sure what you're complaining about, exactly?

[Big Train]

I know you wouldn't be able to see that. Bush had to wait until the southern numbnuts got their thumbs out of their asses to get the proper authority to send in FEMA and all the other shit. If Bush just said "fuck you, we are going in now", like you seem to feel he should have done, that would be grounds for santions or straight impeachment. You actually WANTED him to act like a facist Nazi and "seize control" ...

[ashstralia]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Where's George Costanza when ya need 'im?
He's a Marine Biologist

the sea was angry that day, my friends.

:D

[Big Train]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Nothing "wacky" about FORD's timeline on the FEMA FUCKUP


Put down your copy of My Pet Goat long enough to see the CHIMP once again was AWOL


C'mon, BT

Even the Cons in here agree FEMA was FEEBLE


Where does the buck stop, again???

Sorry, your article is this month's issue on your road travels to gloryholes was fascinating...

I NEVER said there wasn't plenty of blame to go around at the federal level, but if you want to know where the buck stops, it is at the local level, with a retard mayor and governor. That is the bottom line, those people are there DIRECT responsibility every day of the week. The buses didn't roll, they made bad choices regarding aid and they generally fucked up all proper planning which was in place in writing. You want to dig to find the truth, start there.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
I know you wouldn't be able to see that. Bush had to wait until the southern numbnuts got their thumbs out of their asses to get the proper authority to send in FEMA and all the other shit. If Bush just said "fuck you, we are going in now", like you seem to feel he should have done, that would be grounds for santions or straight impeachment. You actually WANTED him to act like a facist Nazi and "seize control" ...

Junior was authorized to send in FEMA on August 26th. That's Friday. The levee didn't break until the following Monday. The governor alerted Chimpy, based on predictions at the time that the hurricane itself was going to decimate New Orleans. It would have been very easy for FEMA to spend the weekend mobilizing. Hell, they could have backed the levee up with sandbags or something. Concrete barriers or whatever. They had three days before, and yet it took them until 6 days after. 9 days for a response?? We had people in goddamned Indonesia before that and that was during the Christmas holiday season, for fucks sake!!

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Big Train
Sorry, your article is this month's issue on your road travels to gloryholes was fascinating...
.

It must suck to strive for humor, yet fall so short.


Look, Bro, I agree there were mistakes locally.

But if you're trying to DEFEND Bush [golfing, birthday cake, guitar] Cherthoff, or Brownie in all of this you're fucking nuts.

"nobody could have forseen the breech of the levees" ?????????????

The Chimp is a dolt.
His regime corrupt.


You're much brighter than that.

[FORD]

And just in case anybody thought I was pulling the original topic of this thread completely out of my ass, here it is, from "the paper of record"......

NY Times
September 9, 2005
Police Begin Seizing Guns of Civilians
By ALEX BERENSON and JOHN M. BRODER

NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Local police officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in preparation for a forced evacuation of the last holdouts still living here, as President Bush steeled the nation for the grisly scenes of recovering the dead that will unfold in coming days.

Police officers and federal law enforcement agents scoured the city carrying assault rifles seeking residents who have holed up to avoid forcible eviction, as well as those who are still considering evacuating voluntarily to escape the city's putrid waters.

"Individuals are at risk of dying," said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of the New Orleans police. "There's nothing more important than the preservation of human life."

Although it appeared Wednesday night that forced evacuations were beginning, on Thursday the authorities were still looking for those willing to leave voluntarily. The police said that the search was about 80 percent done, and that afterward they would begin enforcing Mayor C. Ray Nagin's order to remove residents by force.

Mr. Bush, in Washington, urged the nearly one million people displaced by the storm to contact federal agencies to apply for immediate aid. He praised the outpouring of private charity to the displaced, but said the costs of restoring lives would affect all Americans, as would the horror of the storm's carnage.

"The responsibility of caring for hundreds of thousands of citizens who no longer have homes is going to place many demands on our nation," the president said in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building. "We have many difficult days ahead, especially as we recover those who did not survive the storm."

As Mr. Bush spoke, Vice President Dick Cheney was touring Mississippi and Louisiana, in part as an answer to the critics who have said that the administration responded too slowly and timidly to the epic disaster. At a stop in Gulfport, Miss., a heckler shouted an obscenity at the vice president. Mr. Cheney shrugged it off, saying it was the first such abuse he had heard.

Also on Thursday, Congress approved a $51.8 billion package of storm aid, bringing the total to more than $62 billion in a week. The government is now spending $2 billion dollars a day to respond to the disaster.

The confirmed death toll in Louisiana remained at 83 on Thursday. Efforts to recover corpses are beginning, although only a handful of bodies have been recovered so far. Official estimates of the death toll in New Orleans are still vague, but 10,000 remains a common figure.

Mississippi officials said they had confirmed 196 dead as of Thursday, including 143 in coastal areas, although Gov. Haley Barbour said he expected the toll to rise.

"It would just be a guess, but the 200 or just over 300 we think is a credible and reliable figure," the governor said on NBC's "Today" show.

He also said electricity would be restored by Sunday to most homes and businesses in the state that could receive it.

No one would venture a prediction about when the lights would come back on in New Orleans.

The water continued to recede slowly in the city 10 days after Hurricane Katrina swept ashore and levees failed at several points, inundating the basin New Orleans sits in.

The Army Corps of Engineers has restored to operation 37 of the city's 174 permanent pumps, allowing them to drain 11,000 cubic feet of water per second from the basin. When all the pumps are working, they can remove 81,000 cubic feet of water per second, said Dan Hitchings of the engineering corps.

It will be months before the breadth of the devastation from the storm is known. But a report by the Louisiana fisheries department calculated the economic loss to the state's important seafood industry at as much as $1.6 billion over the next 12 months.

Louisiana's insurance commissioner, J. Robert Wooley, said the state had barred insurance companies from canceling any homeowner's insurance policies in the days immediately before the storm hit and afterward.

"All cancellations will be voided," Mr. Wooley said.

Across New Orleans, active-duty soldiers, National Guard members and local law enforcement agencies from across the country continued door-to-door searches by patrol car, Humvee, helicopter and boat, urging remaining residents to leave.

Maj. Gen. James Ron Mason of the Kansas National Guard, who commands about 25,000 Guard troops in and around New Orleans, said his forces had rescued 687 residents by helicopter, boat and high-wheeled truck in the past 24 hours.

General Mason said Guard troops, although carrying M-16 rifles, would not use force to evict recalcitrant citizens. That, he said, was a job for the police, not members of the Guard.

"I don't believe that you will see National Guard soldiers actually physically forcing people to leave," General Mason said.

Mr. Compass, the police superintendent, said that after a week of near anarchy in the city, no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns, or other firearms of any kind. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of security guards whom businesses and some wealthy individuals have hired to protect their property. The guards, who are civilians working for private security firms like Blackwater, are openly carrying M-16s and other assault rifles.

Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

New Orleans has turned into an armed camp, patrolled by thousands of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers, as well as National Guard troops and active-duty soldiers. While armed looters roamed unchecked last week, the city is now calm.

The city's slow recovery is continuing on other fronts as well, local officials said at a late morning news conference. Pumping stations are now operating across much of the city, and many taps and fire hydrants have water pressure. Tests have shown no evidence of cholera or other dangerous diseases in flooded areas.

With pumps running and the weather here remaining hot and dry, water has visibly receded across much of the city. Formerly flooded streets are now passable, although covered with leaves, tree branches and mud.

Still, many neighborhoods in the northern half of New Orleans remain under 10 feet of water, and Mr. Compass said Thursday that the city's plans for a forced evacuation remained in effect because of the danger of disease and fires.

Mr. Compass said he could not disclose when residents might be forced to leave en masse. The city's police department and federal law enforcement officers from agencies like United States Marshals Service will lead the evacuation, he said. Officers will search houses in both dry and flooded neighborhoods, and no one will be allowed to stay, he said.

Many of the residents still in the city said they did not understand why the city remained intent on forcing them out.

Alex Berensonreported from New Orleans for this article, and John M. Broder from Baton Rouge, La. Reporting was contributed by Sewell Chan from New Orleans, Jeremy Alford and Shaila Dewan from Baton Rouge and Ralph Blumenthal from Houston.

[LoungeMachine]

READ BROWNIE'S OWN MEMO TO CHERTHOFF FOR CHRIST'S FUCKING SAKE!!!!!!


He gave FEMA "workers" 2 FUCKING DAYS TO GET THERE!!!!!!! [ so much for pre-planning, as they needed "training" ]

BTW, whre IS Brownie, BT ???

Oh yeah, relieved of duties.