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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35750

    Musk kills millions of people

    Don't panic they are only black face Africans.

    Still I'm surprised that GW Bush hasn't said anything about his achievement in office being destroyed.

    Also kind of surprised no one in the US seems worried about all these deaths or the risk of lots more AIDS cases in the US?

    Is this even being talked about?

    US cuts to HIV aid will cost millions of lives - UNAids chief


    BBC News
    • Published
      24 March 2025

    US funding cuts will lead to an additional 2,000 new HIV infections each day and over six million further deaths over the next four years, the UNAids chief has warned.

    It would mark a stark reversal in the global fight against HIV, which has seen the number of deaths from the disease decrease from more than two million in 2004 to 600,000 in 2023, the most recent year for which figures are available.

    UNAids Executive Director Winnie Byanyima said the US government's decision to pause foreign aid - which included funding for HIV programmes - was already having devastating consequences.

    She called on the US to reverse the cuts immediately, warning women and girls were being hit particularly hard.

    US President Donald Trump announced the pause on foreign aid, for an initial 90 days, on his first day in office in January as part of a review into government spending. The majority of the US Agency for International Development's (USAID) programmes have since been terminated.

    Many US-financed HIV treatment and prevention programmes received stop work orders, leading to the closure of mother and baby clinics in Africa, and severe shortages of life saving anti-retroviral (ARV) medicines.

    Ms Byanyima said she feared a return to the 1990s, when HIV medication was scarcely available in poorer countries, and infections and deaths soared.

    The US has for years been the single biggest funder of HIV treatment and prevention, and Ms Byanima thanked Washington for its generosity and humanity.

    She added it was "reasonable" for the US "to want to reduce its funding - over time", but said the "sudden withdrawal of lifesaving support [was] having a devastating impact".

    There has been no sign that Washington is listening to appeals to change course.

    Traditional aid donors in Europe also plan funding cuts, and UNAids - the joint UN agency which combats HIV - has had no indication that other countries might step in to fill the gap left by the US.
    Speaking in Geneva on Monday, Ms Byanyima described the case of Juliana, a young woman in Kenya living with HIV. She worked for a US-funded programme that supported new mothers to access treatment to ensure their babies did not develop the disease.

    With the programme suspended, Ms Byanyima said Juliana was not only out of work but, because she was still breastfeeding her youngest child, she also feared losing the treatment she needed.

    Previously, the World Health Organization (WHO) said eight countries - Nigeria, Kenya, Lesotho, South Sudan, Burkina Faso, Mali, Haiti and Ukraine - could soon run out of HIV drugs after the US funding pause.

    WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus warned that disruption to HIV programmes "could undo 20 years of progress".

    In February, South Africa's leading Aids lobby group, the Treatment Action Campaign (TAC), warned the country could see a return to when HIV patients struggled to access necessary services for their treatment.

    "We can't afford to die, we can't afford to go back to those years where we were suffering with access to services, especially for people living with HIV treatment," said TAC chair Sibongile Tshabalala.

    Ms Byanyima also proposed a deal to the Trump administration, offering an opportunity to market a new US-developed ARV to millions of people.

    Lenacapavir, made by US company Gilead, is given by injection every six months, with UNAids believing 10 million people could benefit from it.

    The profits and jobs resulting from such a deal would be hugely beneficial to the US, Ms Byanyima added.

    UNAids is one of a number of UN agencies facing funding cuts.

    The UN Refugee Agency has suggested it may have to lose 6,000 jobs, while Unicef has warned that progress to reduce child mortality is threatened, and the World Food Programme has had to cut rations in famine threatened regions.
    Last edited by Seshmeister; 04-03-2025, 10:38 PM.
  • ZahZoo
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Jan 2004
    • 9163

    #2
    I don't wish any harm to other humans nor wish for others to suffer... but... this money and treatments have been flowing to Africa for 20 years. That's a long time and a lot of US tax payer funded money.

    Gotta ask... what have those receiving this aid done to take responsibility to become self sufficient in managing this health issue in the last 20 years..? How much time and money is enough..?
    "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49563

      #3
      Originally posted by ZahZoo
      I don't wish any harm to other humans nor wish for others to suffer... but... this money and treatments have been flowing to Africa for 20 years. That's a long time and a lot of US tax payer funded money.

      Gotta ask... what have those receiving this aid done to take responsibility to become self sufficient in managing this health issue in the last 20 years..? How much time and money is enough..?
      Gee Zah, it's called 'benevolent self-interest" You know, helping people not die from AIDS might mean new markets and not China not taking over Africa. with all its mineral resources But hey, you're a short sighted cuck trying to rationalize a vote for trump. BTW, how much did your 401K lose today? Only 3500 pts down on the Dow. Rationalize that, old man....

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      • ZahZoo
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Jan 2004
        • 9163

        #4
        Don't agree with the geo-political self-interest slant... it was started as a worthy humanitarian effort which was a good thing to do. But where the programs like this fail is there's little effort put into helping the recipients build on their ability to sustain such programs on their own. Most likely some group profits from managing such a program which it's in their own self interest to sustain the flow of aid rather than drive it to a self sustaining result. Thus 20+ years of dependency with a grim outlook of collapse when the free ride on the money train comes to a stop. Hardly a short sighted view...

        Actually our investment portfolio is doing pretty well currently despite the market dip the last 2 days. With retirement approaching we had been shifting things over into less risky investments and last month with the politics and the volatility ramping up shifted even more over into the bond market. Our gains in bonds have pretty much offset any losses in stocks. As the market dips further I'm thinking of going after a few buys on a couple of companies with a solid outlook in AI, energy, and tech once they bottom out. Then expect to cash in when the market rebounds.
        "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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        • Seshmeister
          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

          • Oct 2003
          • 35750

          #5
          I think you in the US are fucked and you are going to pull the rest of us down with you to a lesser degree.

          You have pulled out of the WHO you are doing nothing on vaccines because of crazy useless ex junky dumb cunt Kennedy so every chance of COVID 26 but this time with no fucker even trying to come up with a vaccine.

          The vibe I got with you middle of the road Republicans last year was 'Well it wasn't that bad last time with Trump and she's shit and something to do with trans I didn't even follow'

          We're just a few months in and he's destroying 80 years of everything.

          I posted this about the deaths because I don't think most people in the US know how many people will die.

          If you think that's fine well that's a choice but you should know because I got the impression your media wasn't saying it.

          Also can I put a shout out now that the next pandemic be called KennedyFlu?
          Last edited by Seshmeister; 04-05-2025, 08:37 PM.

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          • Kristy
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 16727

            #6
            Originally posted by ZahZoo
            Don't agree with the geo-political self-interest slant... it was started as a worthy humanitarian effort which was a good thing to do. But where the programs like this fail is there's little effort put into helping the recipients build on their ability to sustain such programs on their own. Most likely some group profits from managing such a program which it's in their own self interest to sustain the flow of aid rather than drive it to a self sustaining result. Thus 20+ years of dependency with a grim outlook of collapse when the free ride on the money train comes to a stop. Hardly a short sighted view...

            Actually our investment portfolio is doing pretty well currently despite the market dip the last 2 days. With retirement approaching we had been shifting things over into less risky investments and last month with the politics and the volatility ramping up shifted even more over into the bond market. Our gains in bonds have pretty much offset any losses in stocks. As the market dips further I'm thinking of going after a few buys on a couple of companies with a solid outlook in AI, energy, and tech once they bottom out. Then expect to cash in when the market rebounds.

            See what happens when you join a cult?



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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49563

              #7
              Originally posted by ZahZoo
              Don't agree with the geo-political self-interest slant... it was started as a worthy humanitarian effort which was a good thing to do. But where the programs like this fail is there's little effort put into helping the recipients build on their ability to sustain such programs on their own. Most likely some group profits from managing such a program which it's in their own self interest to sustain the flow of aid rather than drive it to a self sustaining result. Thus 20+ years of dependency with a grim outlook of collapse when the free ride on the money train comes to a stop. Hardly a short sighted view...

              Actually our investment portfolio is doing pretty well currently despite the market dip the last 2 days. With retirement approaching we had been shifting things over into less risky investments and last month with the politics and the volatility ramping up shifted even more over into the bond market. Our gains in bonds have pretty much offset any losses in stocks. As the market dips further I'm thinking of going after a few buys on a couple of companies with a solid outlook in AI, energy, and tech once they bottom out. Then expect to cash in when the market rebounds.
              Do I really have to explain the concept of "benevolent self-interest" to an old man? Yes we're spending a pittance of what Tesla NEVER pays in taxes to help the poor in Africa, but we also get people who are alive to buy our good and get influence in one of the most mineral rich places on earth. But hey, fuyck, let's just give it to China! Because they are now investing heavily there....

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              • ZahZoo
                ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                • Jan 2004
                • 9163

                #8
                No splainin necessary... I get the point you are attempting to make. I don't think you have a full understanding of the economic facts in play.

                I just think 20 years of benevolence is plenty and more than enough time for the recipients to become self sufficient. If more people die as a result of the reduction in aid... whose fault is that..? The nice benevolent folks who can't afford to continue supporting them or the leaders of their home country who didn't take responsibility to improve their own people's situation?

                Here's the stats for trade in sub-Saharan Africa with the US:

                U.S. total goods trade with Africa were an estimated $71.6 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Africa in 2024 were $32.1 billion, up 11.9 percent ($3.4 billion) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Africa in 2024 totaled $39.5 billion, up 1.9 percent ($0.8 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Africa was $7.4 billion in 2024, a 26.4 percent decrease ($2.6 billion) over 2023. https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/africa

                We bought more than $7.4 billion in goods from Africa than we sold them last year. So in the nearly $40 billion in exports from Africa... you're telling me those poor people couldn't afford to address their health issues, but still needed additional aid, not a loan, to prop up their economy.. that you imply is our motivation for helping them..? Think about that...
                Last edited by ZahZoo; 04-06-2025, 04:07 PM.
                "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                • Seshmeister
                  ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                  • Oct 2003
                  • 35750

                  #9
                  You're falling for the Trump insanity.

                  If I buy something I want from you that doesn't mean I've lost out. If you are buying coffee or diamonds from poor countries they aren't going to turn around and buy a new Ford pickup truck in return. Also you do know that none of the Trump figures include the service sector which the USA has a huge surplus in? Netflix has 400 000 subscribers in Africa that's not being included as an export for a start.

                  Also this is about self interest do you want those Africans to give Americans AIDS?

                  You remember where COVID came from? Diseases move nowadays.

                  Not to mention you have a crazy moron running your Department of Health and have just left the World Health Organisation for no reason.

                  Of course Trump was great during the last pandemic - time to start stockpiling bleach....

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49563

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ZahZoo
                    No splainin necessary... I get the point you are attempting to make. I don't think you have a full understanding of the economic facts in play.

                    I just think 20 years of benevolence is plenty and more than enough time for the recipients to become self sufficient. If more people die as a result of the reduction in aid... whose fault is that..? The nice benevolent folks who can't afford to continue supporting them or the leaders of their home country who didn't take responsibility to improve their own people's situation?

                    Here's the stats for trade in sub-Saharan Africa with the US:

                    U.S. total goods trade with Africa were an estimated $71.6 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Africa in 2024 were $32.1 billion, up 11.9 percent ($3.4 billion) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Africa in 2024 totaled $39.5 billion, up 1.9 percent ($0.8 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Africa was $7.4 billion in 2024, a 26.4 percent decrease ($2.6 billion) over 2023. https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/africa

                    We bought more than $7.4 billion in goods from Africa than we sold them last year. So in the nearly $40 billion in exports from Africa... you're telling me those poor people couldn't afford to address their health issues, but still needed additional aid, not a loan, to prop up their economy.. that you imply is our motivation for helping them..? Think about that...
                    Explain this cuck: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/l...191201959.html

                    Trumps done more for China in 72 hours than anyone has done in 72 years....

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35750

                      #11

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                      • ZahZoo
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 9163

                        #12
                        Y'all focus too much on Trump and his jackass personality.

                        I've opposed a wide range of foreign aid spending long before Trump ever ran for office.

                        No... I'm not the least concerned with Africans giving people in the US AIDS. You may not have heard... we have a fair amount of HIV infected people in the US already.

                        Covid came from a lab leak in China... created one of the worst global pandemics in history. Thankful my family survived that shit. But the possibility of another pandemic occurring is a risk/threat that will be with the planet forever. Should it happen again in my life time... I can only hope the lessoned learned and mismanagement of COVID-19 will not be repeated. You are right... Trump wasn't great during the pandemic. Although no one got everything right...
                        "If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49563

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ZahZoo;n2538318.
                          ...

                          No... I'm not the least concerned with Africans giving people in the US AIDS. You may not have heard... we have a fair amount of HIV infected people in the US already.
                          ...
                          Who in fuck ever said or inferred this?

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49563

                            #14
                            So we learned today that Zah is a racist and Kristy is a hipster self-nullifying reatard, Kudos guys! Fuck you both....

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                            • Mushroom
                              Commando
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 1205

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ZahZoo
                              U.S. total goods trade with Africa were an estimated $71.6 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Africa in 2024 were $32.1 billion, up 11.9 percent ($3.4 billion) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Africa in 2024 totaled $39.5 billion, up 1.9 percent ($0.8 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Africa was $7.4 billion in 2024, a 26.4 percent decrease ($2.6 billion) over 2023. https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/africa
                              Ummm I'm being a simpleton, but that doesn't sound bad at all.
                              It should be highlighted here that this occurred under [ahem ahem] not Trump's presidency

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