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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    Red America stands firm in sea of European blue

    Red America stands firm in sea of European blue
    Sep 14, 2005
    by Jonah Goldberg

    Here's a gloomy thought for you: America is going to be lonely for a very long time. After reading the October issue of The American Enterprise, "Red America, Blue Europe," that's the only conclusion one can draw.

    There is a grand myth that the world, particularly Europe, loved America before George W. Bush came into office. The reality is that it only dislikes us a bit more than it used to.

    Anti-American books tore up the best-seller list in France throughout the Clinton presidency. The staged anti-globalization riots during the 1990s were not love letters to America or the Democratic Party. In 1999, Bill Clinton needed 10,000 policemen to protect him from Greek activists who aimed to firebomb him. Protesters in Athens continually pulled down a statue of Harry Truman. Despite the relentless jackassery of people like Michael Moore and others who attributed 9/11 to Bush's policies - including our failure to sign the Kyoto Treaty (stop laughing) - al-Qaida got its operation up and running throughout the sunny days of Bill Clinton and the dotcom bubble.

    In the 1980s, anti-Americanism was also a big problem, but fortunately the elites of Europe generally understood - with some lamentable exceptions - it was better to have America as a friend than the Soviet Union as a ruler.

    But now that the Cold War is over, European elites have been liberated from the need to play well with the United States. Elections in Germany and France have largely been won in recent years by running against America. The U.S. is the only superpower and European elites don't think anyone but them should be superpowers. The Chinese have a similar attitude, of course, and pretty much every foreign policy article and expert I can find says we're going to be playing Cold War-style games with China for the next 50 years.

    In other words, we are facing at minimum two enormous problems that will far, far outlast the Bush presidency, and, unlike in the past, it's not entirely clear we can rely on our friends to stand with us. This is a broad generalization, which means that it's open to contradiction by a great many facts while still, I think, remaining true. We do have some real friends, most notably Britain, Japan and Australia.

    But much of Europe seems lost to us. There are many reasons for this, but two stick out. First, they're free-riders. They know that America is the only country left with the means and the will to maintain international order. Our economy keeps their economy afloat. We keep the sea lanes open. Our scientific innovation gives them medical breakthroughs they buy on the cheap.

    Second, because we're behind the wheel, they can indulge their vanity by playing backseat drivers. They reject the basic assumptions of American strategic imperatives. So they toy with selling weapons to the Chinese. They play games about whether or not Islamic radicalism is even really a problem. They are always willing to credit the worst possible explanation of American actions.

    A columnist for the British Sun wrote this week, "America may have given the world the space shuttle and, er, condensed milk, but behind the veneer of civilization most Americans barely have the brains to walk on their back legs." Then he got offensive, writing that the people of New Orleans were "finding themselves being blown to pieces by a helicopter gunship."

    A third of Germans under 30 think America ordered the 9/11 attacks. The "theory" that the Pentagon attack was self-inflicted stagecraft is in wide circulation in France, and the subject of a best-selling book. Throughout Europe, it's easy to find commentators who take it at face value that Bush's failure to sign Kyoto led to Katrina. (It's worth noting: Clinton refused to sign it, too. And rightly so.)

    There is a third reason Europe has become unreliable. The mass influx of Muslim immigrants. The political consequences of the Islamification of much of Europe will outlast George Bush for decades.

    Tony Blair, a stalwart ally in Iraq, has recently been caving to Islamic radicals for domestic political considerations. He's decided to seek advice from a new "task force" on extremism that hosts a rogues' gallery of anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers and apologists for bin Laden and Jihadism (one "adviser" calls bin Laden a "freedom fighter"). This hardly bodes well for Britain to stay the course in the battle against Islamic fundamentalism.

    What bodes even worse is that Britain is the only country in Europe with a military capable of projecting significant military force abroad for a sustained period of time. Even if the next president, or the one after that, succeeded in winning European friends where Bush has failed, it seems unlikely those friendships will be of enormous use. Economically and militarily, Europe is increasingly second-rate.

    We are in for some lonely days.



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    “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59648

    #2
    Go home Jonah. And take all your other so called "dual citizen" traitors with you.
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • scamper
      Commando
      • May 2005
      • 1073

      #3
      FM Radio
      Steam Engine
      Transistor
      Jenny (Train) Coupler
      Plastic
      Steam Locomotive
      Telephone
      Gramaphone
      Pacemaker
      Browning Rifle
      Analog Computer
      Transistor
      Nylon
      Air Conditioner
      Peanut Products
      Colt Revolver
      Locomotive
      Airplanes
      Motorcycle
      Tractor
      Vaccume Tube
      Pencil
      Horseless Carriage
      Dry Plate Photography
      Light Bulb
      Steamboat
      Model T (Car)
      Lightning Rod
      Steamboat
      Gatling Gun
      Rockets & Liquid Fuel
      Vulcanized Rubber
      Ice Machine
      Bette Graham
      Shorthand
      Submarine
      Artificial Heart
      Swivel Chair
      Desktop Computer
      Automobile Air Conditioner
      Polaroid Camera
      Bolometer, Early Airplane
      Polygraph
      Maxim Machine Gun
      Mechanical Reaper
      Gas Mask
      Morse Code
      Oldsmobile
      Atomic Bomb
      Elevator Brakes
      Coca-Cola
      Pullman Sleeping (Train) Car
      Cash Register
      Polio Vaccine
      Razor
      Bombsight
      Helicopters
      Helicopters
      Sewing Machine
      Alternating Current (AC)
      Scientific Method of Assembly
      Rotary Engine
      Electrometer
      Cotton Gin
      Open Heart Surgery
      Railway Telegraphy Stations
      Airplane
      Locks
      Electron Microscope


      Just a few things invented in America making the world better. Hows that French space program doing?

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49567

        #4
        Man, people mention FRANCE, and you guys get a hard-on...

        Who gives a fuck about FRANCE?

        What is GOLDBERGH pissed they were smart enough not to get sucking into our middle-east quagmire.

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        • Angel
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7481

          #5
          Originally posted by scamper
          FM Radio
          Steam Engine
          Transistor
          Jenny (Train) Coupler
          Plastic
          Steam Locomotive
          Telephone
          Gramaphone
          Pacemaker
          Browning Rifle
          Analog Computer
          Transistor
          Nylon
          Air Conditioner
          Peanut Products
          Colt Revolver
          Locomotive
          Airplanes
          Motorcycle
          Tractor
          Vaccume Tube
          Pencil
          Horseless Carriage
          Dry Plate Photography
          Light Bulb
          Steamboat
          Model T (Car)
          Lightning Rod
          Steamboat
          Gatling Gun
          Rockets & Liquid Fuel
          Vulcanized Rubber
          Ice Machine
          Bette Graham
          Shorthand
          Submarine
          Artificial Heart
          Swivel Chair
          Desktop Computer
          Automobile Air Conditioner
          Polaroid Camera
          Bolometer, Early Airplane
          Polygraph
          Maxim Machine Gun
          Mechanical Reaper
          Gas Mask
          Morse Code
          Oldsmobile
          Atomic Bomb
          Elevator Brakes
          Coca-Cola
          Pullman Sleeping (Train) Car
          Cash Register
          Polio Vaccine
          Razor
          Bombsight
          Helicopters
          Helicopters
          Sewing Machine
          Alternating Current (AC)
          Scientific Method of Assembly
          Rotary Engine
          Electrometer
          Cotton Gin
          Open Heart Surgery
          Railway Telegraphy Stations
          Airplane
          Locks
          Electron Microscope


          Just a few things invented in America making the world better. Hows that French space program doing?
          There's a HELL of a lot on that list that was invented by Canadians. Where the hell did you find this?
          "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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          • scamper
            Commando
            • May 2005
            • 1073

            #6

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            • scamper
              Commando
              • May 2005
              • 1073

              #7
              Angel I hope your not trying to take credit for the swivel chair.

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32942

                #8
                Europe has it's own problems. They haven't produced enough children for so long that it's becoming an aged society. Go to some European towns and teenagers and kids are hardly even seen. Places like Vienna come to mind. The same with France.

                In contrast, the growing Muslim sector have kids like crazy. The youngest population in the world is in Iran. Europe will slowly become an Islamic area.

                As far as hating the US, not everyone. Europeans are more war shy than Americans, because major wars have been fought there and they still have memories of WWII and how horrible it was. The post WWII generation tend to be selfish hippy dip types who love radical environmentalism, hate traditional religion and it's rules, and hate war. Basically, the culture found in most liberal US cities like San Fransisco is alive and well in Europe.

                Also, guys like Saddam Hussain were huge customers and under the table oil suppliers to countries like France. We ruined some great business for many French and German companies and politicians.

                Europe's hate of the US is a combination of hippie dip love not war hype and pissing off the corrupt power brokers.

                Trust me, if Europe got into trouble again like it was in WWII and we did nothing, they would kiss our ass and want us back protecting them.

                I say fuck em. Dissolve NATO and let the EC and Canada fare for themselves. Heck, fuck Korea too. We've spent billions protecting these places for 50 years or more. Time to leave.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • BigBadBrian
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10625

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Angel
                  There's a HELL of a lot on that list that was invented by Canadians. Where the hell did you find this?
                  Shut your piehole, just once, would you?

                  “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                  • kentuckyklira
                    Veteran
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 1776

                    #10
                    Originally posted by scamper
                    FM Radio
                    Steam Engine
                    Transistor
                    Jenny (Train) Coupler
                    Plastic
                    Steam Locomotive
                    Telephone
                    Gramaphone
                    Pacemaker
                    Browning Rifle
                    Analog Computer
                    Transistor
                    Nylon
                    Air Conditioner
                    Peanut Products
                    Colt Revolver
                    Locomotive
                    Airplanes
                    Motorcycle
                    Tractor
                    Vaccume Tube
                    Pencil
                    Horseless Carriage
                    Dry Plate Photography
                    Light Bulb
                    Steamboat
                    Model T (Car)
                    Lightning Rod
                    Steamboat
                    Gatling Gun
                    Rockets & Liquid Fuel
                    Vulcanized Rubber
                    Ice Machine
                    Bette Graham
                    Shorthand
                    Submarine
                    Artificial Heart
                    Swivel Chair
                    Desktop Computer
                    Automobile Air Conditioner
                    Polaroid Camera
                    Bolometer, Early Airplane
                    Polygraph
                    Maxim Machine Gun
                    Mechanical Reaper
                    Gas Mask
                    Morse Code
                    Oldsmobile
                    Atomic Bomb
                    Elevator Brakes
                    Coca-Cola
                    Pullman Sleeping (Train) Car
                    Cash Register
                    Polio Vaccine
                    Razor
                    Bombsight
                    Helicopters
                    Helicopters
                    Sewing Machine
                    Alternating Current (AC)
                    Scientific Method of Assembly
                    Rotary Engine
                    Electrometer
                    Cotton Gin
                    Open Heart Surgery
                    Railway Telegraphy Stations
                    Airplane
                    Locks
                    Electron Microscope


                    Just a few things invented in America making the world better. Hows that French space program doing?
                    At least 4 items on that list were not invented in America!
                    http://images.zeit.de/gesellschaft/z...ie-540x304.jpg

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                    • scamper
                      Commando
                      • May 2005
                      • 1073

                      #11
                      Originally posted by kentuckyklira
                      At least 4 items on that list were not invented in America!
                      After further investigation Angle and Kentucky are right not all of these things were invented by Americans. Sorry

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                      • scamper
                        Commando
                        • May 2005
                        • 1073

                        #12
                        and I spelled Angel wrong

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35755

                          #13
                          Originally posted by scamper
                          FM Radio
                          Steam Engine
                          ...
                          Big deal...

                          And how the hell did the US invent Steam Engines when they were first invented by the ancient Greeks thousands of years ago and then refined by the Scottish engineer Watt.

                          Scottish inventions.

                          adhesive postage stamps
                          anaesthetics
                          antisepsis
                          artificial diamonds
                          reaping machine
                          Bank of England
                          latent heat
                          Brownian movement
                          Buicks
                          chemical bonds
                          penicillin
                          the decimal point
                          documentary films
                          Encyclopedia Britannica
                          engineering sciences
                          fax machines
                          first cloned mammal
                          flailing machines
                          geosciences
                          golf
                          historical novels
                          hypodermic syringes
                          Kelvin scale
                          percussion powder
                          logarithms
                          Maxwell's equations
                          marmalade
                          mackintosh raincoats
                          macadamized roads
                          microwave ovens
                          colloid chemistry
                          breech-loading rifle
                          tubular steel
                          quinine
                          Sociology
                          pneumatic tyres
                          pink bathtubs
                          hollow pipe drainage
                          Peter Pan
                          radar
                          paleobiology
                          polarization
                          cure for scurvy
                          King Arthur
                          Halloween
                          refrigerators
                          Neptune
                          bakelite
                          iron bridges
                          solitons
                          the steam engine
                          telephones
                          thermos flasks/dewars
                          the telegraph
                          television
                          the stereotype
                          sulphuric acid
                          the steam-hammer
                          cure for insomnia
                          paraffin
                          Whisky
                          US Navy
                          Chilean Navy
                          Economics
                          Cloud Chamber
                          Last edited by Seshmeister; 10-04-2005, 09:40 AM.

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                          • scamper
                            Commando
                            • May 2005
                            • 1073

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Seshmeister
                            Big deal...

                            And how the hell did the US invent Steam Engines when they were first invented by the ancient Greeks thousands of years ago and then refined by the Scottish engineer Watt.

                            Scottish inventions.

                            the steam engine


                            ??????, but thanks for the golf and the refrigerator to keep my beer cold while I golf, whats with the pink bathtub?

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35755

                              #15
                              The Scottish guy that invented the Buick also invented hot to bond enamel to cast iron; a process responsible for our blue bathtubs and pink sinks etc. etc.

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