A Terrible Milestone Today

[thome]

I like spelling Irak with a K and Rite like this RITE.

It doesn't make me a bad person.

Only time will tell on Irak and Afghanistan. We(the world) are in Knee deep and the past is gone. We need to deal with getting out of there and
getting the
iraqi people in charge of their own destiny.

I believe this will be over within one year from now as far as Our Army being a Major force.Looks that way to me.

We have given them the tools will they Use Them.?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
I like how Clinton planned everything but never followed through, except when dealing with his staff.

I love how the Neo Cons follow through while never planning anything.

"The Iraq Disaster Awards Ceremony"

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I love how the Neo Cons follow through while never planning anything.

"The Iraq Disaster Awards Ceremony"

Well, the 'Neo Cons', as you call them, planned pretty well when they decided they wanted to control the government after a 40-year Democrat stranglehold. It's pretty much worked as planned.

Ten years and countin'...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Well, the 'Neo Cons', as you call them, planned pretty well when they decided they wanted to control the government after a 40-year Democrat stranglehold. It's pretty much worked as planned.

Ten years and countin'...

Well it's a good thing you've run out of fingers...

No need to take off your shoes.

[Cathedral]

I have to admit that the only thing that was planned in the Iraq conflict was going in and taking Saddam out.
Beyond that, it has been a clusterfuck coping with the unexpected.

But great things are happening, greater things than ever pop up in the news OR discussion. If you don't believe that, get in your fucking car and go to a nearby military base and talk to soldiers that have been there.
Yeah, i know full well that there are soldiers that have a different opinion, but their's isn't based on as much ignorance as the complete body of info we argue here on this board.

[Warham]

Yep, they get a higher percentage of people to vote over there than we do over here. We don't have to worry about bombers when we go to the polls.

I'm happy for the Iraqis. 79% approval for the new Constitution. The world should be happy for Iraq, but I feel there are some stubborn folks out there.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by Warham
Yep, they get a higher percentage of people to vote over there than we do over here. We don't have to worry about bombers when we go to the polls.

I'm happy for the Iraqis. 79% approval for the new Constitution. The world should be happy for Iraq, but I feel there are some stubborn folks out there.

How do you feel that they just voted themselves a theocracy instead of a democracy in Iraq and Afganistan?

Hey, we pay and die f4or the Jews t2o have o1ne, why shouldn't the Muslims?

Remember, this means U.S. troops died for establishing a Muslim theocracy and NOT spreading democracy (i.e., theocracy is not democracy no matter how you try to rationalize it).

[Phil theStalker]

"So what's the MISSION, stupid?!" a la Clinton's slogan

I mean...c'mon!

[DrMaddVibe]

Let's get a grip on the casualty count.

Let me preface this with this notion that one American soldier's hangnail isn't worth losing. We're there and the road that got us there was paved with many administrations and other nation's intelligence communities as well as the UN! With that said, 2000 lives lost is in comparison to other wars and conflicts a very low number. There have been numerous battles where there was a loss of 2000 in a single day!

The land mass that was obtained with the size force used is amazing and a military feat that has the world taking notice. This isn't a Playstation war where we can win without boots on the ground. Get over the notion of planes and missles taking out the enemy. We sustained minimal loss during the actual battle to topple Saddam. The Iraqi army folded like a house of cards and didn't put up a fight. Instead they slept and went underground, creating an insurgency movement that is swelled in size due to the fundamentalist Islamic communities of other nations wanting to spill American blood in the name of Allah.

Instead pf griping about the 2000 fallen soldiers like the were play plastic army men you could melt on the sidewalk with a magnifying glass put it into perspective...here's some actual numbers of previous wars and conflicts...the next time some Sheehan shreiking anti-US bitch bemoans about the loss of life remember the numbers and put it into perspective.

America's Wars: U.S. Casualties and Veterans
American Revolution (1775–1783)
Total servicemembers - 217,000
Battle deaths - 4,435
Nonmortal woundings - 6,188

War of 1812 (1812–1815)
Total servicemembers - 286,730
Battle deaths - 2,260
Nonmortal woundings - 4,505

Indian Wars (approx. 1817–1898)
Total servicemembers 106,0001
Battle deaths - 1,0001

Mexican War (1846–1848)
Total servicemembers 78,718
Battle deaths - 1,733
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 11,550
Nonmortal woundings 4,152

Civil War (1861–1865)
Total servicemembers (Union) 2,213,363
Battle deaths (Union) 140,414
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Union) 224,097
Nonmortal woundings (Union) 281,881
Total servicemembers (Conf.) 1,050,000
Battle deaths (Conf.) 74,524
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Conf.) 59,2972
Nonmortal woundings (Conf.) unknown

Spanish-American War (1898–1902)
Total servicemembers 306,760
Battle deaths 385
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 2,061
Nonmortal woundings 1,662

World War I (1917–1918)3
Total servicemembers 4,734,991
Battle deaths 53,402
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 63,114
Nonmortal woundings 204,002
Living veterans fewer than 500

World War II (1940–1945)
Total servicemembers 16,112,566
Battle deaths 291,557
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 113,842
Nonmortal woundings 671,846
Living veterans 4,762,0001

Korean War (1950–1953)
Total servicemembers 5,720,000
Serving in-theater 1,789,000
Battle deaths 33,741
Other deaths in service (theater) 2,827
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 17,730
Nonmortal woundings 103,284
Living veterans 3,734,0001

Vietnam War (1964–1975)
Total servicemembers 8,744,000
Serving in-theater 3,403,000
Battle deaths 47,410
Other deaths in service (theater) 10,789
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 32,000
Nonmortal woundings 153,303
Living veterans 8,295,0001

Gulf War (1990–1991)
Total servicemembers 2,225,000
Serving in-theater 665,476
Battle deaths 147
Other deaths in service (theater) 382
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 1,565
Nonmortal woundings 467
Living veterans 1,852,0001

America's Wars Total
Military service during war 42,348,460
Battle deaths 651,008
Other deaths in service (theater) 13,998
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 525,256
Nonmortal woundings 1,431,290
Living war veterans 17,578,5004
Living veterans 25,038,459

I hope it makes it a little clearer to those that want to bitch about a body count!

[FORD]

Just wait until the REAL numbers come out.

That "2000" only represents those who have died on the ground in Iraq. They don't count those fatally injured who die on the way to Rammstein or Walter Reed or whereever. Or those who come home and kill themselves so they don't have to go back. And if you don't recognize those as casulaties of war, you aren't fucking human.

As far as I'm concerned, any Vietnam vet who blows his brains out even today is a war casualty. Every vet of Poppy Bush's Iraq invasion who dies from an unexplained illness that the BCE to this day pretends doesn't exist is a casualty of war.

What will the REAL death toll of this fuckup be?

[thome]

There could be just such an Overlay of Hatred of Republicans or The Right or Right of Center that there is no possibility of seeing any good in this by those with the Hatred.

All the women freed from so much injustice. The Men ataining a equal footing in parliment instead of Saddams FIX .The possitives outway
the Negatives in My View.

Either or they the ones w/ the Hatred are upset they didn't move
when they had the chance.

[Phil theStalker]

Originally posted by FORD
Just wait until the REAL numbers come out.

That "2000" only represents those who have died on the ground in Iraq. They don't count those fatally injured who die on the way to Rammstein or Walter Reed or whereever. Or those who come home and kill themselves so they don't have to go back. And if you don't recognize those as casulaties of war, you aren't fucking human.

As far as I'm concerned, any Vietnam vet who blows his brains out even today is a war casualty. Every vet of Poppy Bush's Iraq invasion who dies from an unexplained illness that the BCE to this day pretends doesn't exist is a casualty of war.

What will the REAL death toll of this fuckup be?

We're always 'waiting' f4or the truth.

We're always beehind da 8ball.

u hu hu u hu hu h

well, not mmme..

[thome]

Well your General has already eaten his words the invasion was
one of the greatest successes in the history of warfare.

Wether or not the iraqi people benefit from all our work wether
freedom is established in the mid east is up to the iraqis.

America the US Army and our Military Has not failed in the least!

A retired Out of the Game Disgruntled General is a bad thing especially when
his personal" War strategy for the invasion of iraq" was turned Down by
the Pentagon in Favor of a different attack strategy.

Believe Me if it was his plan he'd be Singing its praises.