Ex-Iraqi PM ALLAWI (Our Choice) Says Abuse As Bad as SADDAM's Era

[Big Train]

YES Lounge what are they doing? What IS their plan. It isn't Rush bullshit to ask that. All I heard was a half ass withdrawal plan. I have NOTHING for months in between.

Why the fuck am I a con? Cuz you can't actually hear what I'm saying. Look up the Murtha thread, where I am being such a con criticing my own party intensely. What happened on the Congressional floor pissed me off.

There are two parties in Washington and the "other" one could be using this as a watershed moment to show America the way and regain power. Everyone keeps saying the Republicans are ripe for takeover. That however, doesn't warrant that it will be the Dems who do. It takes action and foresight, which I see none of from the Dems.

I'll go back to drinking my Kool-Aid now...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Big Train
YES Lounge what are they doing? What IS their plan. It isn't Rush bullshit to ask that. All I heard was a half ass withdrawal plan. I have NOTHING for months in between.

Why the fuck am I a con? Cuz you can't actually hear what I'm saying. Look up the Murtha thread, where I am being such a con criticing my own party intensely. What happened on the Congressional floor pissed me off.

There are two parties in Washington and the "other" one could be using this as a watershed moment to show America the way and regain power. Everyone keeps saying the Republicans are ripe for takeover. That however, doesn't warrant that it will be the Dems who do. It takes action and foresight, which I see none of from the Dems.

I'll go back to drinking my Kool-Aid now...

:D

I agree w/ 98% of this post.

I confess I haven't read your take in the Murtha thread, and will do so.

I was rash and frustrated to lump you in with the rest of the sheep in here. My bad.

I wish there was a viable third party alternative..........

Try the kiwi-strawberry flavor, I hear it's kickin' fresh

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
How am I wrong? "for the most part", hello, how many does it take, 5-10, 30 guys to do torturing. Do you have an accurate number on how many "changed sides", falsified paperwork or whatever to become Iraqui police? That's right, you don't. Additionally, these "police" are still in their muslim culture, which obviously allows this stuff.

How were they excluded? You
didn't see all the news and protests regarding this. You know, Bremer's big mistake?

The IRAQI police are "supplemented" by Islamic Militias that are heavily rumored to be supported by IRAN. And there seems to be an increasing diffusion between the security forces, and the Militias such as the Badr Brigades. And it is also a fact that significant death squad activity is taking place in IRAQ that originates from the new US trained IRAQ Army, police, and the militias...

Here's a question regarding "death squads," how long was SADDAM in control of El SALVADOR? The death squad capital of the world...

I really don't feel like getting into the particulars of a uniquely AMERICAN counter-insurgency strategy called the "OPLAN (Operation) PHOENIX" that was invented during VIETNAM by "Liberal DEMOCRAT" and ex-CIA director William COLBY, but usually in the hands of third world, uneducated and inhumane idiots, a deviously effective anti-guerilla strategy turns into little more than a wanton orgy of murder and extra-judicial killing.

That's what is happening in IRAQ I believe...

Abu Ghirab was an anamoly and you know it, don't claim it as an American value. It's all murky and nebulous and you claiming you know the truth here any more than I or anyone else does is bullshit. Some bad things have happened, but it is retarded to say what any of this says about American people. [/B]

No! Abu GHRAIB was systematic and symbolic of two things:

One, at the very least, it showed poor planning and the complete disinterest of the RUMSFELD Pentagon clique regarding the War in IRAQ, and their disregard of the undermanned American troops forced to guard thousands of Iraqi prisoners.

Two, it may have been the result of a secret US plan called "Copper GREEN," again, a counter-terrorist interrogation strategy designed to be used against the most hard core, high ranking terrorists was criminally used against regular people, many of whom had been picked up on non-terrorist or guerilla related offenses...

[ODShowtime]

Re: Ex-Iraqi PM ALLAWI (Our Choice) Says Abuse As Bad as SADDAM's Era

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Ex-PM: Abuse as bad as Saddam era

God, will this guy ever quit whining?