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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
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    Bush to Outline Iraq Plan in Public

    Bush to Outline Broad Iraq Plan; Push on Training

    By DAVID E. SANGER and ERIC SCHMITT
    Published: November 30, 2005


    WASHINGTON, Nov. 29 - President Bush on Wednesday will put forward for the first time a public version of what the White House calls a comprehensive strategy for victory in Iraq.

    In a related effort to begin extricating American forces next year, military officials said Tuesday that they would seek billions of additional dollars to better train Iraqis to defend the country.

    The military officials in Iraq said they had requested $3.9 billion for next year to help train and equip Iraqi troops, build new police stations and outfit Iraqi soldiers with new uniforms.

    That amount would be part of a larger spending request to Congress for the overall war effort and is on top of the $10.6 billion that lawmakers have already approved to rebuild Iraq's security forces.

    Mr. Bush continued to emphasize that American forces cannot withdraw before their job is done.

    "I want our troops to come home, but I don't want them to come home without having achieved victory," he said in brief comments to reporters in El Paso during a visit to the Mexican border. "And we've got a strategy for victory." The president was describing a speech he plans to give Wednesday at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Md.

    Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, too, emphasized the imperative for Iraqis to gain control of their country, echoing the thought that instead of "an exit strategy, we should be focused on our strategy for victory."

    The catchphrase will reappear Wednesday morning in a document elaborating on Mr. Bush's speech, titled "National Strategy for Victory in Iraq."

    Taken together, the activities amount to a carefully calibrated effort to answer critics, including Democratic leaders in Congress who have argued that Mr. Bush has no plausible plan for bringing home the nearly 160,000 troops engaged in a war against the insurgency.

    As Mr. Bush returned from Asia last week and flew home to the debate in Congress over the American presence, administration officials have begun to acknowledge that the levels of forces and spending may be politically unsustainable.

    The White House said that the strategy to be outlined Wednesday was not new, but that it had never been assembled into a single unclassified document. As the 27-page booklet was described by administration officials, much of it sounded like a list of goals for Iraq's military, political and economic development rather than new prescriptions on how to accomplish the job.

    The Pentagon now spends $6 billion a month to sustain the American military presence in Iraq. A senior administration official said Mr. Bush's ultimate goal, to which he assigned no schedule, is to move to a "smaller, more lethal" American force that "can be just as successful."

    It is unclear how much of that vision Mr. Bush will explicitly describe Wednesday, in the first of four speeches about the Iraqi transition that he plans to give before the election of a long-term Iraqi government on Dec. 15.

    Aides said Mr. Bush would argue that although he is determined to stay his course and that to withdraw precipitously would invite disaster, American tactics have already been refashioned to confront the insurgency more effectively. Since landmark elections this year, the attacks have continued to inflict death and injury on Iraqis and Americans alike.

    "He is going to talk about victory in Iraq in the short term, the medium term and the long term," said an official familiar with the speech, which was redrafted on Tuesday.

    The president will describe the short-term objective as "defeating terrorists, building institutions, meeting political milestones and standing up security forces," the official said.

    Without claiming that the victory he seeks is already at hand, the president will argue that Iraq is already moving into a new phase, providing its own security and establishing a permanent government.

    "The long-term vision is a peaceful, democratic, united nation that is well integrated and a full partner in the war on terror," the official said.

    Despite the new emphasis, Pentagon officials and senior commanders in Iraq no longer talk in terms of outright military victory in the sense of eliminating all resistance. Rather they discuss what Mr. Rumsfeld said at the Pentagon on Tuesday was a "coalition strategy to help the Iraqi people increasingly take control of their country."

    He responded sharply to suggestions that United States troops alone would carry out a military strategy to "clear, hold and build" in towns and other territory formerly controlled by insurgents. The phrase has been adopted by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and Mr. Bush is expected to repeat it on Wednesday.
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  • LoungeMachine
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    "Anyone who takes those three words and thinks it means the United States should clear and the United States should hold and the United States should build doesn't understand the situation," Mr. Rumsfeld told reporters. "It is Iraq's country, 28 million of them. They are perfectly capable of running that country. They're not going to run it the way you would or I would or the way we do here in this country, but they're going to run it.

    "Our problem is that any time something needs to be done, we have a feeling we should rush in and fill the vacuum and do it ourselves. You know what happens when you do that? First of all, you can't do it, because it's not our country. It's their country. And the second thing that happens is they don't develop the skills and the ability and the equipment and the orientation and the habit patterns of doing it for themselves. They have to do it for themselves."

    Mr. Bush is expected to define his other goals in a concise triptych, as well. One is for the reconstruction, which is badly behind schedule and short of money, to be an effort to "restore, reform and build." The political effort, he is expected to declare, is an effort to "isolate terrorists, engage and build institutions."

    "This clearly is not the level of specificity some people are going to want to see in a plan," another administration official said. "But it is a lot more than has been said before."

    Another official said the publication of the strategy paper had been under way for more than a month and involved declassifying parts of a larger strategy that the White House and the Pentagon had used for some time.

    In advance of Mr. Bush's speech, Mr. Rumsfeld and Gen. Peter Pace of the Marines, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, sought Tuesday to outline the progress that the Iraqi security forces had made in the last year. They said that the Iraqis had taken control of 29 of 110 military bases held by the Americans and had more than doubled the number of trained and equipped troops, to 212,000 soldiers and police commandos.

    The Pentagon continues to rate about a third of those forces as able to take the lead in combat operations, with some American support, and several hundred Iraqi troops as capable of operating fully independently of American troops.

    Senator Jack Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat who was in the 82nd Airborne Division, told reporters on Tuesday by telephone that the Iraqi security forces still suffered from largely untested leaders, unproven loyalty to the government and fledgling ministries that were struggling to build the institutional support to sustain the troops in the field.

    "Without an effective ministry that can keep track of soldiers and police, pay those soldiers and police, apply those soldiers and police and essentially provide the foundation, then you're going to have some tactically trained units, but they're not going to be a coherent or effective force," said Mr. Reed.

    Echoing the complaints of many American commanders in Iraq who say the administration has relied too heavily on the military to restore security and stability in Iraq, Mr. Reed said Mr. Bush have to offer a more comprehensive approach.

    "The president has to lay out in his speech how we're doing on the other aspects of progress, not just security forces, but creating a stable political structure and a stable environment, stable economy," he said.

    Some of Mr. Bush's former and current advisers on Iraq say the president is entering new territory, perhaps even redefining what would constitute victory in Iraq.

    "People have assumed that when he says 'stay the course' that means the tactics don't change," a senior aide said. "That's not the case. If you are suggesting that we have not had a dynamic, adaptive approach, you're wrong."

    Mr. Bush will be careful not to describe what Mr. Rumsfeld called "metrics" of progress. Instead, the president will talk about the progress made in the past year by relying more on Iraqi troops.

    "One of the points we are trying to convey is that you can't measure success by the number of boots on the ground," the official said. "We can probably work more effectively with a smaller footprint."

    Senator Reed warned that reducing troop strength carried considerable risks. "To assume that our departure would stop the violence, I think, assumes too much, because there are still huge tensions within the country between sectarian groups," he said. "There will be a struggle for power. And that struggle might be even exacerbated if we were to pull out too quickly."
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    • LoungeMachine
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      • Jul 2004
      • 32576

      #3
      Re: Bush to Outline Iraq Plan in Public

      Originally posted by LoungeMachine



      Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, too, emphasized the imperative for Iraqis to gain control of their country, echoing the thought that instead of "an exit strategy, we should be focused on our strategy for victory."

      NO SHIT, YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT
      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
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      • blueturk
        Veteran
        • Jul 2004
        • 1883

        #4
        2100 deaths later, these fucking morons now have a strategy. These guys really know how to run a war...

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        • Warham
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          #5
          Joe Lieberman said they've always had a strategy yesterday.

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          • LoungeMachine
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            #6
            Originally posted by Warham
            Joe Lieberman said they've always had a strategy yesterday.
            Originally posted by Kristy
            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
            Originally posted by cadaverdog
            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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            • Warham
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              • Mar 2004
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              #7
              Originally posted by LoungeMachine
              Joe Lieberman's been there FOUR times in the last seventeen months, and each time he's said that he's seen more progress than the last. He's been there more than any of us here have (as well as some in the Senate and House), and he's a Democrat, so you can't cry foul because of any perceived bias on his part.

              I'm not sure why you have to roll your eyes.

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 59614

                #8
                Yeah, we all know what Joe Lieberman's "strategy" is. He takes his cues straight from Likud headquarters just like Perle, Wolfoshitz, Feith and all the other traitorous PNAC scum.

                When the Likud have gotten so fascist that they scare away a bonafide war criminal like Ariel Sharon, you have to ask yourself what the FUCK our government is doing taking dictation from those bastards.
                Eat Us And Smile

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                • Warham
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                  • Mar 2004
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                  #9
                  And let me guess, the great Howard Dean has somehow escaped being a part of this traitorous group, even though he's the head of the DNC, selling his soul for any donation he can get?

                  It seems like every senator is some kind of traitor in your eyes, FORD.

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                  • 4moreyears
                    Commando
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 1245

                    #10
                    Speaking at the U.S. Naval Academy, President Bush laid out the plan for victory in Iraq. America's strategy is clear: we will help Iraqis build a stable democracy, a strong economy, and security forces that can defend the Iraqi people and fight the terrorists. And we will never give in to the enemy by cutting and running before the job is done.



                    In Iraq, our troops' heroic work is paying off. Iraqis will soon vote in their third democratic election this year. Groups that boycotted earlier elections are joining the political process. On the security front, Iraqi troops and police are growing stronger and more ready to defend their country. Increasingly, Iraqis are taking the lead in joint operations to root out the terrorists. As Iraqi forces stand up, our troops' mission will shift away from patrolling Iraqi cities and towards hunting down the most dangerous terrorists.

                    In spite of the incredible progress made by our troops, some in Washington still are proposing artificial deadlines for withdrawal. This is not a plan for victory. Cutting and running would send a message to the terrorists that our will can be broken, inviting more attacks on our troops and on our homeland. It would tell our friends that America is a weak and unsteady ally. So long as George W. Bush is our President, America will never return to the dangerous, pre-September 11th illusion that the terrorists can be appeased by simply turning our backs.

                    In response to the President's clear plan, Democrats like minority leader Harry Reid offer empty political attacks, calling the President's speech "tired rhetoric" even before it was given. Yet these same Democrats agree with key elements of President Bush's strategy, with Sen. Joe Biden writing that "we must forge a sustainable political compromise between Iraqi factions, strengthen the Iraqi government and bolster reconstruction efforts, and accelerate the training of Iraqi forces." That sounds exactly like what the President is proposing. These Democrats fundamentally agree on what needs to happen in Iraq, but they're attacking for political gain. Are these attacks designed to help us win the war on terror, or help them win the next election?

                    President Bush offers a way forward on Iraq, not empty political posturing.

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                    • LoungeMachine
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by 4moreyears

                      President Bush offers a way forward on Iraq, not empty political posturing.
                      LMMFAO :D

                      Hands down, the single dumbest fucking thing I've read in here.
                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
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                      • DLR'sCock
                        Crazy Ass Mofo
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 2937

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Warham
                        Joe Lieberman's been there FOUR times in the last seventeen months, and each time he's said that he's seen more progress than the last. He's been there more than any of us here have (as well as some in the Senate and House), and he's a Democrat, so you can't cry foul because of any perceived bias on his part.

                        I'm not sure why you have to roll your eyes.

                        I can only quote the GI's that I have spoken to that have been there, and they say it is insane over there. That reminds me, I need to check in on my friend's nephew who is there....

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 59614

                          #13
                          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                          LMMFAO :D

                          Hands down, the single dumbest fucking thing I've read in here.
                          Yes, he keeps outdoing himself in that category, doesn't he?
                          Eat Us And Smile

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                          • Warham
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                            • Mar 2004
                            • 14589

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DLR'sCock
                            I can only quote the GI's that I have spoken to that have been there, and they say it is insane over there. That reminds me, I need to check in on my friend's nephew who is there....
                            That reminds me as well. I need to check in on my co-worker's brother's friend's cousin who's over there, to talk to him about just how bad of a cesspool Iraq is right now.

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                            • DrMaddVibe
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6686

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Warham
                              And let me guess, the great Howard Dean has somehow escaped being a part of this traitorous group, even though he's the head of the DNC, selling his soul for any donation he can get?

                              It seems like every senator is some kind of traitor in your eyes, FORD.
                              Yeah, and that's his good side!

                              Can you imagine the mood around his household on election night back in 2004!

                              C'mon ford...open the vaults and show us the video!
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