Iraq War Vets running for Congress....as DEMOCRATS

[DrMaddVibe]

It won't be McCain!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
I'm OK with Democrats like Lieberman, ones who actually have some common sense, and don't shoot off their mouth before thinking things through.

Why? Because he agrees with you on IRAQ...

Well, I am in turn okay with Republicans like McCAIN...

I strongly disagree with his pro-IRAQ war stance, but I admire his honesty, in that he says the US needs a long term plan and focus to actually "win" the war with Iraq, by seeking a complete military domination over the SUNNIs. Basically, he's calling for a true home front psychology and virtually for a draft, though he won't say it. I certainly don't agree with this, but I think at least he's being honest. If we get we're BUSH says he wants us to be in IRAQ, it's going to require real sacrifice, and not just rhetoric and yellow ribbons on your SUV...

The fact that the man is honest and real is why he will never allowed to be the nominee. But then again, you never know.

[Warham]

No, Lieberman just makes sense. Kerry, Kennedy and Murtha make no sense whatsoever in their assessment of Iraq and what needs to happen there. Even that pinhead Pelosi won't agree with Murtha's ridiculous position.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Warham
McCain's hideous because he's a fence sitter.

Now that's priceless.

You, BBB, BT, and others all claim to NOT be Republicans, but more independant minded centrists.

And you call McCain "hideous" because he's not in lockstep with the Bushies.

Fucking spare me

[Warham]

Must be some good stuff you are smoking, Lounge.

I've never claimed to be anything other than a hard core conservative here. A centrist is another word for a moderate, which to me means a fencesitter. I don't like fencesitters. I'd rather see somebody with real convictions that'll stand up for what they believe no matter how unpopular their views are, rather than somebody who might change views whenever the wind blows another direction. For that reason, I respect Howard Dean for his convictions more than John McCain. He might be a loon, but that's the idea.

McCain's a fencesitter because he's a fencesitter, not because of anything that has to do with George W. Bush.

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Now that's priceless.

You, BBB, BT, and others all claim to NOT be Republicans, but more independant minded centrists.

And you call McCain "hideous" because he's not in lockstep with the Bushies.

Fucking spare me

I'm not against him McCain because he's a Democrat...I'm against McCain because he's a flim-flam man...

John McCain: Torture Worked on Me

Sen. John McCain is leading the charge against so-called "torture" techniques allegedly used by U.S. interrogators, insisting that practices like sleep deprivation and withholding medical attention are not only brutal - they simply don't work to persuade terrorist suspects to give accurate information.

Nearly forty years ago, however - when McCain was held captive in a North Vietnamese prison camp - some of the same techniques were used on him. And - as McCain has publicly admitted at least twice - the torture worked!

In his 1999 autobiography, "Faith of My Fathers," McCain describes how he was severely injured when his plane was shot down over Hanoi - and how his North Vietnamese interrogators used his injuries to extract information.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I did not cooperate," he wrote.

"I thought they were bluffing and refused to provide any information beyond my name, rank and serial number, and date of birth. They knocked me around a little to force my cooperation."

The punishment finally worked, McCain said. "Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."

Recalling how he gave up military information to his interrogators, McCain said: "I regret very much having done so. The information was of no real use to the Vietnamese, but the Code of Conduct for American Prisoners of War orders us to refrain from providing any information beyond our names, rank and serial number."

The episode wasn't the only instance when McCain broke under physical pressure.

Just after his release in May 1973, he detailed his experience as a P.O.W. in a lengthy account in U.S. News & World Report.

He described the day Hanoi Hilton guards beat him "from pillar to post, kicking and laughing and scratching. After a few hours of that, ropes were put on me and I sat that night bound with ropes."

"For the next four days, I was beaten every two to three hours by different guards . . . Finally, I reached the lowest point of my 5 1/2 years in North Vietnam. I was at the point of suicide, because I saw that I was reaching the end of my rope."

McCain was taken to an interrogation room and ordered to sign a document confessing to war crimes. "I signed it," he recalled. "It was in their language, and spoke about black crimes, and other generalities."

"I had learned what we all learned over there," McCain said. "Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."

That McCain broke under torture doesn't make him any less of an American hero. But it does prove he's wrong to claim that harsh interrogation techniques simply don't work.



How do you NOT remember?

Fuck him.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Now that's priceless.

You, BBB, BT, and others all claim to NOT be Republicans, but more independant minded centrists.

And you call McCain "hideous" because he's not in lockstep with the Bushies.

Fucking spare me

All I have EVER claimed is to be an independent thinker. I don't play team sports in politics.

I voted independent in 1996 and 2000 I thank you. It's is looking more and more how I will be voting next time.

However, feel free to keep me in whatever box you like.

I like McCain at times. I think a moderate really IS the only type you can respect, because by in being moderate, they are voting on individual as opposed to party idealogy. Dems and Repubs, as well as most independents have good ideas, but it is up to the individual to decide what is right. The LACK of moderates on both sides is a major reason things are so fucked up.

[Nickdfresh]

That McCain broke under torture doesn't make him any less of an American hero. But it does prove he's wrong to claim that harsh interrogation techniques simply don't work.

First off, McCAIN suffered two broken arms, a broken leg, was stabbed with a bayonet, and was nearly beaten to death by a crowd of Vietnamese that were pissed off because he was dropping bombs on them.

Oh, for fuck sake! Spare me! Some pansy Chickenhawk partisan Republifag cherry picked McCAIN'S biography to find out that he gave the North VIETNAMESE NO INFORMATION OF CONSEQUENCE!! His sqaudron #, his target that he was already bombing? Boy, the Vietnamese didn't have that all figured out before they tortured him. Ooooh! What a TRaiTOr

Bravo! you mean they tortured him and got information they already knew anyways, not to mention a whole lot of bullshit to sift through probably...

Golly! I sure hope we can torture people for "confessions!" That will make for a great trial.

And withholding medical treatment? we've already done that to al Qaida suspects....

By the way, McCAIN has a "nigga'" daughter out of wedlock, his wife is an alcoholic, he's overly angry, he' manages to be some how gay, AND A Clintonesque' Womanizer at the same time and a bunch of Republican National Committee fuckwits keep throwing their support behind retarded chickehawks so they lie about him....

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh


Oh, for fuck sake! Spare me! Some pansy Chickenhawk partisan Republifag cherry picked McCAIN'S biography to find out that he gave the North VIETNAMESE NO INFORMATION OF CONSEQUENCE!! His sqaudron #, his target that he was already bombing? Boy, the Vietnamese didn't have that all figured out before they tortured him. Ooooh! What a TRaiTOr

He also gave up the names of the starting defensive line of the Green Bay Packers.

FUCKING HIDEOUS TRAITOR


But our pResident said "we do not torture"

So I guess it's a moot point

[Warham]

Give McCain a break. He thinks some interrogation techniques are OK, but just as long as you don't turn up the music over the PA, remove clothing, turn off the air conditioning or flush Korans down the toilet.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Give McCain a break. He's wishy washy on this. He thinks some interrogation techniques are OK, but just as long as you don't turn up the music over the PA, remove clothing, turn off the air conditioning or flush Korans down the toilet.

You should flush your Bible down the toilet, it's it's not doing you much good really...

BTW, it really makes sense to torture guys at GITMO that are nothing but "privates" in the al Qaida chain of command, and that know nothing anyways...

Maybe we can gets secrets like "how to disassemble an AK-47" from them...

[Warham]

Who said torture has to make sense?

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Warham
Who said torture has to make sense?

Who said anything this administration does has to make sense.

They're immoral, unethical, and sociopathic.

I've come to expect no less from them

[Warham]

You act like that's some surprise out of Washington.

Wasn't the last administration prior immoral, unethical, and sociopathic as well?

I think we can probably go back fifty years and find several.

[DrMaddVibe]

Yet you stooges follow Dean....bahahahahahahahaha!