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  • blueturk
    Veteran
    • Jul 2004
    • 1883

    #16
    Don't mind if I do. I feel certain that Warham will ignore this post...

    Excerpt from "Why We Didn't Remove Saddam" by George Bush [Sr.] and Brent Scowcroft, Time (2 March 1998):

    While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state. We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome.
    Last edited by blueturk; 12-08-2005, 11:49 PM.

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    • LoungeMachine
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 32576

      #17
      Originally posted by blueturk



      We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome.





      Pretty God Damn Prophetic, wouldn't you say...........
      Originally posted by Kristy
      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
      Originally posted by cadaverdog
      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 59651

        #18
        Poppy is one evil bastard, but unlike his son, he's no idiot.
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • Warham
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Mar 2004
          • 14589

          #19
          Looks like he was talking about the first Gulf War. What does that have to do with today's situation? It's 2005, not 1991. Alot can change in ten years.

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49567

            #20
            Originally posted by Warham
            Looks like he was talking about the first Gulf War. What does that have to do with today's situation? It's 2005, not 1991. Alot can change in ten years.
            No. Now we a world of brainless Neo Cons and their irrational SHEEP living in a land completely devoid of reality....

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            • knuckleboner
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Jan 2004
              • 2927

              #21
              Originally posted by Warham
              Looks like he was talking about the first Gulf War. What does that have to do with today's situation? It's 2005, not 1991. Alot can change in ten years.
              which means we shouldn't mind anything bill clinton said about saddam and WMD in 1998, right?

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 59651

                #22
                Originally posted by knuckleboner
                which means we shouldn't mind anything bill clinton said about saddam and WMD in 1998, right?
                Good point. And something else that Warham overlooked was that Poppy's book was also published in 1998. And he said nothing to indicate he had changed his mind in the 6 years since he had left office.

                Which puts Warham's favorite President on the same page as Bush Sr.


                Of course he seems to be there a lot lately.........
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • Warham
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 14589

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                  No. Now we a world of brainless Neo Cons and their irrational SHEEP living in a land completely devoid of reality....
                  And then there's the alternate world where Kerry, Dean and Murtha live in. It's the place liberals dream of.

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49567

                    #24
                    Bill CLINTON will be attending the Buffalo SABRES' game Wednesday in Buffalo, with REPUBLICAN owner Tom GOLISANO.

                    I wonder if he'll be at the U2 concert tonight, I know I won't be.

                    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 12-09-2005, 05:35 PM.

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                    • LoungeMachine
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32576

                      #25
                      How does the DATE or YEAR matter when it comes to the FOLLY of being an OCCUPYING force in IRAQ ??????

                      It would have been stupid in 1991

                      It was stupid in 2003

                      Jesus tittie fucking christ, warpig........IT WAS A MISTAKE TO DO WHAT WE DID, HOW WE DID, WHEN WE DID IT, WHY WE DID IT.
                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                      • Guitar Shark
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 7579

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                        I wonder if he'll be at the U2 concert tonight, I know I won't be.
                        Why not? They put on a hell of a show.
                        ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                        Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                        Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                        • Guitar Shark
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7579

                          #27
                          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                          How does the DATE or YEAR matter when it comes to the FOLLY of being an OCCUPYING force in IRAQ ??????

                          It would have been stupid in 1991

                          It was stupid in 2003
                          Very well said.
                          ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                          Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                          Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                          • Warham
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 14589

                            #28
                            I don't feel it's stupid.

                            I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

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