Ex-Enron Accountant Pleads Guilty to Fraud

[ODShowtime]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
dolt = the most overused phrase by liberal whiners when they have no other argument. :D

The problem is when we present a perfectly good arguement and you don't even realize you've been bested.

That's a dolt. Someone who doesn't even realized they've lost an arguement because of their weak intellect.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
The problem is when we present a perfectly good arguement and you don't even realize you've been bested.

That's a dolt. Someone who doesn't even realized they've lost an arguement because of their weak intellect.

That would be funny if it were true.

But it's not...and you know it.

[DrMaddVibe]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
The problem is when we present a perfectly good arguement and you don't even realize you've been bested.

That's a dolt. Someone who doesn't even realized they've lost an arguement because of their weak intellect.

I let you know the next time there's a discussion.

An arguement on the internet is for morons.

Thanks for playing.:D

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Yeah right? Like post an example you idiot? Still lie like a rug Mr. Christian?



Oh really, did you read the Snopes article? They donated over:

10 TIMES MORE TO REPUBLICANS than to DEMOCRATS?

Think much for yourself BRIAN?

The Chinese government have donated 10 times more to the Democrats than to the Republicans.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
The Chinese government have donated 10 times more to the Democrats than to the Republicans.

They have, huh? Problem is, no one knew they were CHINESE gov't operatives, It was an AMERICAN citizen (of Chinese descent) acting on behalf of CHINA...

Yet another great example of fact twisting and selective use of info...

[Warham]

Of course, Clinton would help out the Chinese with some of our secrets in exchange for the $.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Of course, Clinton would help out the Chinese with some of our secrets in exchange for the $.

Really? Have any proof of that? You mean that partisanly Republican investigators such as STARR as so incompetent that they could only come up with a blowjob?

[Warham]

Do you guys have any proof that Karl Rove is the leaker in the Plame case?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Do you guys have any proof that Karl Rove is the leaker in the Plame case?

I wouldn't know, he's still under investigation...

[Warham]

Yes, but most of you here have him guilty and sentenced to life in prison.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
Of course, Clinton would help out the Chinese with some of our secrets in exchange for the $.

And the BCE would never do anything like that.......



02/18/2002 - Updated 10:33 PM ET


President's uncle shares Bush family ties to China

By Debbie Howlett, USA TODAY



CHICAGO — When President Bush arrives in Beijing on Thursday, he'll embrace a policy that's something of a family tradition.

Bush's approach centers on promoting U.S.-China economic ties. That's a course favored not only by his father, the first President Bush, but also by his uncle, Prescott Bush Jr., a longtime acquaintance of Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

The Bush family's ties to China go back to 1974, when President Nixon named George Bush ambassador to China. The college-age George W. Bush spent two months in China visiting his parents during his father's two-year stint.

Seven years after his brother left the ambassadorial post, Prescott Bush made his first trip to China. He later joined with Japanese partners in 1988 to build a golf course in Shanghai, the first in China. He met Jiang, who was then the mayor of Shanghai.

The Prescott Bush file



• Age: 79. Born Aug. 10, 1922.

• Education: Yale University.

• Background: Chairman, U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce; president, Prescott Bush Resources.

• Politics: Unsuccessfully challenged U.S. Sen. Lowell Weicker in Connecticut's Republican primary election in 1982 for the seat once held by his father.

• Family: The oldest of five children of Sen. Prescott Bush and Dorothy Walker Bush. Lives with wife, Beth, in Greenwich, Conn. Two grown children.

Source: USA TODAY research

Prescott Bush, now 79, also developed a close working relationship with Rong Yiren, a former trade minister and vice president, who in 1993 introduced Bush to a group of Chinese business leaders as "an old friend." In 2000, Forbes publications reported that Rong, who has retired from government, was the richest man in China.

The president's uncle concedes that he sometimes relied on his name to open doors, but he says any deals he made were the result of his own hard work.

"You can get a meeting because of it, you can meet a lot of people because of it," he said in a recent interview in Chicago, where the U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce has its headquarters. "But I don't get a lot of business because my nephew is president or my brother was president."

Some experts argue otherwise. A name is not just helpful, it's essential, says Nick Larty, a professor of international relations at George Washington University in Washington, D.C.: "Who you get access to in China is pretty much a function of how important you are."

Along with access, the family name has also brought scrutiny to Prescott Bush's deals:

* He was criticized in 1989 for visiting China to meet with business and government leaders just three months after the Tiananmen Square massacre, in which army troops fired at pro-democracy demonstrators.
* His Shanghai partnership with the Japanese firm Aoki in 1988 proved embarrassing when revelations surfaced that Aoki at the same time was allegedly trying to get business contracts by bribing Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, whom the first President Bush later ousted from power.
* His connections to an American firm, Asset Management, came into question in 1989, when the company was the only U.S. firm able to skirt U.S. sanctions and import communications satellites into China.
* When Asset Management went bankrupt later that year, Bush's deal to arrange a buyout through West Tsusho, a Japanese investment firm, raised eyebrows. Newspapers reported that Japanese police were investigating West Tsusho's alleged ties to organized crime.

Bush declines to discuss those controversies. "That's old news. It's in the past," he says.

Last year, he opened the U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce offices in Chicago. The membership roster includes United Airlines, American Express, McDonald's, Ford and Arthur Andersen, the beleaguered company that audited Enron's books.

Bush says opportunities abound now that the 1997-98 Asian financial crisis is in the past: "The Chinese are very much interested in getting foreign capital in. They desperately need the jobs."

Last fall, Bush hosted a well-attended trade conference in Chicago at which U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick gave the keynote address. At a dinner he sponsored last month at the Yale Club in New York, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Negroponte, was guest of honor.

Perhaps the most intriguing question about Bush's China connections is whether he played a role in ending a U.S.-China standoff in April, when a Chinese fighter jet collided with a U.S. Navy surveillance plane over the South China Sea. The Chinese pilot was killed, and the U.S. plane made an emergency landing on Hainan island, where 24 U.S. crewmembers were held for 11 days.

The president's uncle traveled to China just hours after news of the incident broke. He flew aboard United's inaugural flight from Chicago to Beijing. Other dignitaries on the largely ceremonial flight stayed a few days, but Bush didn't return home for two weeks. Moreover, U.S. Ambassador Joseph Prueher met Bush — but not the rest of the group.

Prueher says their meeting was simply a social call.

"I might have joined him for a cup of tea or a Coke — maybe we had a beer, I don't recall," says Prueher, who left his post in June. "We spent an hour chatting."

Bush denies any involvement in the diplomatic settlement that ended the crisis.

"I couldn't possibly do something like that," he says. "It would be very embarrassing for the president if it was found out that I was going to see my friends when he was trying to work things out."

The standoff ended when Prueher sent Jiang a carefully worded letter of regret over the incident. The next day, the U.S. crew was permitted to leave. Bush left a day later.

[Warham]

Yep, and who donated more to the Clinton Library and Massage Parlor than anybody else?

Yep, you guessed it, oil tycoons from Saudi Arabia.

[Big Train]

So I take it nobody wants to have a discussion about investor's responsibility or the larger state of business accounting and economics?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Yep, and who donated more to the Clinton Library and Massage Parlor than anybody else?

Yep, you guessed it, oil tycoons from Saudi Arabia.

Yeah, then why is it that GEORGIE-BOY covered for their sheik-asses after 9/11? I mean, let's focus on a library whilst ignoring the money being funneled into the Republican party through the oil industry, and the fact that there are serious cover-ups regarding information of SAUDI complacency...

BTW, how much money do you Neo CON bitches put in your pickup trucks? You're giving as much to the SAUDI cause as anybody with your denial regarding energy policies...

[Warham]

My SUV (I know, a treehuggers worse nightmare) chugs alot of gas, burning off more oil and making $$$ for those Saudi guys left and right, and you know what...I don't give a shit.

When you treehuggers decide it's OK to start drilling for oil in an arctic wasteland up there in Alaska or off our own coasts, then maybe we'll talk energy policies.