I've always loved Canada

[Angel]

Who do you think will benefit from Harper's proposed cuts?

So far, I've seen an amazing difference in my own lifestyle due to our current economy. Harper's cuts benefit the rich, not the middle class.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fiscally conservative, but as a gay anti-Bush Canadian, Harper just ain't for me.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by Angel

Don't get me wrong, I'm fiscally conservative, but as a gay anti-Bush Canadian, Harper just ain't for me.

Funny, I thought about you Angel last night when the Conservatives won, thinking how dissappointed you must have felt, lol....
Dont worry, I dont think the sky will fall, although I must admit I was looking forward to seeing how Martin was going to ban guns in space.... :D

[FORD]

Maybe Full Bong hasn't considered what a Canadian neocon government might do to his favorite pasttime.

Canadian stoners have had it pretty easy compared to their US counterparts.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by FORD
Maybe Full Bong hasn't considered what a Canadian neocon government might do to his favorite pasttime.

Yeah, thats all I care about FORD....
Harper will have his hands full with alot of issues, I doubt making things worse for Canadians who are charged with possession of Pot will be high on his list....What you would call a right wing government here is alot more like middle of the road compared to the US....The Conservative Party is still far left of the Republican Party in the US....
It's a minority government, unlike in the US where the Republicans currently dominate pretty much all levels of government.... The Conservatives won't be able to push through any radical social changes such as rolling back the gay marriage decision or abortion....

[WACF]

Originally posted by Angel
Who do you think will benefit from Harper's proposed cuts?

So far, I've seen an amazing difference in my own lifestyle due to our current economy. Harper's cuts benefit the rich, not the middle class.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fiscally conservative, but as a gay anti-Bush Canadian, Harper just ain't for me.

One thing that impressed me was his cutting the GST...so that everyone benefits.
The disabled under the Harper plan would gain where under the Lib plan they would not.

Same goes for the child care thing.
First off no one helped me out when my kids were young.
Under the Lib plan I would subsidize at best 1 out of 16 kids.
If you live in a small or big town you could forget about it...why should people in small centers subsidize people in bigger centers?
It is just job creation at the fed level to distribute money...alot of the money would be eaten up in administration...just like medicare.

We need to stimulate growth...no one had a platform that touched on creating wealth.
We need to do something.

I know what you getting at with Harper's gay stance.

[Angel]

I don't think any US citizen could fully understand that right in Canada means Centre.

Nor does FORD understand a minority government. I PREFER minority governments, if they manage to get work done in the process. The opposition will not allow any changes to take place in Canada that will effect fundamental Canadian values. Same sex marriage legislation will remain, we will stay out of the weaponization of space, and abortion will remain legal. If they were a majority government, the result would be very much the same. Changes to our rights and freedoms would not be accepted by the majority of Canadians, and frankly I feel the conservatives will do a better job regarding crime and immigration.

However Bug, you can be guaranteed the de-criminalization of marijuana WILL NOT be passed, hell it won't even be proposed. However, in Canada you only have to worry about getting busted if you're a dealer with a revolving door, or run a grow-op. I can easily sit in my home with an ounce or two of weed, hell even a quarter pound, and not feel like I'm at any risk of being busted.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Funny, I thought about you Angel last night when the Conservatives won, thinking how dissappointed you must have felt, lol....

Sweetheart, I thought they were going to win a majority, and I was preparing to apply to Iran for refugee status.

I'm ELATED! His government is too small to fuck things up royally, and now the Lib's can clean up shop.

FYI, Bug... I was a PC all my life, until the party ceased to exist and us "progressive" conservatives were left without a party - maybe it's time for Mel Hurtig to try starting up the "Canadian Party" he wanted to get off the ground a few years ago.

[Full Bug]

Funny, I was a member of the Reform Party when Preston Manning was in charge, that seems like a million years ago now, my father got me into politics as soon as I was old enough to understand it, I miss the political discussions we used to have all the time, lol....

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by Angel
we will stay out of the weaponization of space

is that a big issue up north?

i would say it ranks pretty minor in the States. it's definitely not a campaign issue for anybody.

[Full Bug]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
is that a big issue up north?

I dont think so, but some media here would like to make it out to be....The Americans are going to do what they want regardless of what we say anyway....

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Full Bug
Dont pray for me, I hope the Conservatives win, you want to talk about a corrupt government, the Liberals are it hands down.....I see Ford has been conned by all the 'The Conservatives in gonna make us the next US state' nonsense that has been played up in the Liberal supporting media here, glad to see from the polls here most Canadians dont buy into that garbage....

I have to agree with ya.

[Angel]

Originally posted by Full Bug
I dont think so, but some media here would like to make it out to be....The Americans are going to do what they want regardless of what we say anyway....

Are you Ontarion's even on this fucking planet anymore? This is a very big issue, as it goes against Canadian values. Joining the missile defense would almost guarantee a "yes" vote next Quebec referendum...

[FORD]

Originally posted by Full Bug
What you would call a right wing government here is alot more like middle of the road compared to the US....The Conservative Party is still far left of the Republican Party in the US....

The Conservative Party, as it has existed up until now, might well be to the left of the US Republican party. My point is that Harper is a neocon who literally comes from the same thought processes that gave this country our current fascist policies.

So then my question would have to be.... of the Conservatives who won new seats yesterday, how many of them were "old school Tories" vs how many were neocon shitbags. Because if the neocons take over your Conservative party they WILL become a clone of the right wing here.

It's a minority government, unlike in the US where the Republicans currently dominate pretty much all levels of government.... The Conservatives won't be able to push through any radical social changes such as rolling back the gay marriage decision or abortion....

Unless they con a sizable number of the "Liberals" into voting with them, just like the spineless DLC senators vote with Chimpy and the Republicans here.

Our spineless senators used the "war on terra" as an excuse to switch parties in all but name. How do you think your "centrists" would hold up if Vancouver or Toronto got hit?

Sorry to be such a fucking downer, but after the last 5 years dealing with these neocon bastards destroying my country, I can reasonably predict what they will do to yours, if they get half a chance.

[Romeo Delight]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
When do we come to our senses?

Why isn't the US investing money into this rather than into destroying, then rebuilding, IRAQ?

No, your politicians would rather satisfy desperate senators, trying to prop up inefficient industries in the US like softwood lumber.

Then these senators back up banning our beef to help senators in other states when there is no science backing that up, all the while there is evidence your beef producers are covering up mad cow cases.

It is so wasteful...

In the meantime we are forging ties with China. Best to watch how you treat us. Ignoring NAFTA and disregarding several black and white rulings could backfire.

Follow the trade agreements you sign or lose these resources that are becoming more and more precious.

[scamper]

Originally posted by DavidFlamma
No, your politicians would rather satisfy desperate senators, trying to prop up inefficient industries in the US like softwood lumber.

Then these senators back up banning our beef to help senators in other states when there is no science backing that up, all the while there is evidence your beef producers are covering up mad cow cases.

It is so wasteful...

In the meantime we are forging ties with China. Best to watch how you treat us. Ignoring NAFTA and disregarding several black and white rulings could backfire.

Follow the trade agreements you sign or lose these resources that are becoming more and more precious.

Watch what you say, Bush might just come up there and take your oil and lumber.