We're Fucked!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by FORD
"There is no BCE"
"War is Peace"
"Freedom Is Slavery"
"Ignorance Is Strength"
"We Have Always Been At War With East Muslimia"

There is no BCE FORD, just BIA (Bush Incompetence-Athon)...

[diamondD]

Originally posted by Steve Savicki
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10988596/

And just when I thought Canada could influence the United States to lean more towards the left. Of course relationships with Busch will improve. Sad, sad indeed.

So much for gays traveling up to Canada just so they could marry and enjoy that right like any other citizen.

Canada influence US politics? Canada's been liberal for 13 years or so. A lot of influence they are.

What planet are you from Steve?

[WACF]

This is a good change.

The Conservatives do not have the ability to govern though...not enough seats.
There will have to be deal making.

I watched the debates and followed this everyday...there was a lot of fear spreading by the Liberals...alot of people in the east bought into it.
Harper was the only one that actually answered the actual question he was asked everytime.
That is wrong...Duceppe did a great job also.

Harper is not aligned with the Bloq.
What is wrong with addressing fiscal imbalance?
Why do some people think minimum sentences for gun crime is a bad thing?
Why do we fear fixing medicare?
Like Duceppe said...in Ottawa 10,000 people work for medicare but do not administer a single hospital?
Why do people think there is a hidden right wing agenda?
The minute Harper mentions workers rights his current term will be his last...he knows that.

I think it will be interesting to watch what happens...my only wish is the Conservatives would of won a weak majority, or a strong minority.
The Liberals need a time out...to much theft and scandal.
The NDP have no world vision...they do not even have a platform.
Their whole campaign was "We are the third choice"....sounded like "We are not good enough to be first, or even second...but gosh darn it....WE CAN BE THIRD".
I consider them our social conscience...you need a few of them in the back reminding you of the little guy...but you do not want them in power.

[FORD]

Chimpy ran as a moderate centrist. And once the Supreme Court installed him, he turned into anything but that.

I realize the dynamics of Canadian government are a little different, but Harper IS a Straussian neocon, and he's going to act like one, given any opportunity.

And since your "Liberals" seem to be a lot like our "DLC", all it would take would be one staged terraist attack on Vancouver or Toronto, and they would suddenly become Tories in all but name, just as the spineless fucks down here did for Chimpy.

Call it "tinfoil hat" all you want, but the neocon shitbags didn't work so hard to get this Chimpy clone in as PM just to have another 18 month minority government.

If your centrists are as worthless as our centrists are (they couldn't possibly be any worse), then why not support the NDP? At least you know they don't work for PNAC.

[WACF]

Canadians have spoken. They are fed up with the lies and crime of the Liberals. The negative attack adds did work. So instead of giving the Tories the right to rule anyway they want, they have returned a weak minority gov't. I actually think this is a good thing...we will see what the Conservatives will do. The Libs and NDP will keep them in check. I just wish the Conservatives had a touch more seats to have the ability to rule.

What that means is Canadians are taking a test drive. The Tories will be forced to deal with the left to stay in power, so it should mean that the policies will be moderate. It buys the Tories about 2 years to get to the bottom of ADSCAM (BQ/NDP support for changes)

As far as voting NDP I already posted above why I will not follow them.
They are self designed as unworthy to rule..."We are the third choice.".
They do not have a vision...they had no platform to run on.

I am a former Liberal...when they clean themselves up and earn my vote they will get it once again.
Right now Harper speaks to my interest...cracking down on crime and fixing fiscal imbalance.
Repairing medicare is something that must be done.

[WACF]

Just to add.

I also support the Conservatives views of free votes in parliment.
I believe your MP works for you and should vote according to his/her constituants.
The Libs feel you vote the way you are told too...regardless of what the people who voted you in say.

I also believe we should elect our senate...not appoint them the Liberal way.

[Angel]

Originally posted by WACF
I believe your MP works for you and should vote according to his/her constituants.

How can you be certain that your MP is voting based on the wishes of constituents, or based on their own personal value system. I'm all for free votes, but will my MP poll me first? I agree Senate should be elected. The current way isn't only Liberals, the Conservatives made Senate appointments as well.

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by diamondD
Canada influence US politics? Canada's been liberal for 13 years or so. A lot of influence they are.

Yes, I believe they woke America up to become more liberal once they:

1. Spoke out against Busch in general

2. Got the 51% who voted for him to realize their mistake and that the liberal attitude was the way to go.

By then, it was too late. The unelection already happened.

[WACF]

Originally posted by Angel
How can you be certain that your MP is voting based on the wishes of constituents, or based on their own personal value system. I'm all for free votes, but will my MP poll me first? I agree Senate should be elected. The current way isn't only Liberals, the Conservatives made Senate appointments as well.

That brings up a good point.
I have in the past phoned or emailed my MLA or MP.
I usually found the were responsive and did have some good exchanges.

A good way to see what you MP is doing is check out http://howdtheyvote.ca/

You can actually let you MP know of what you think of an exact quote of their's.

I also think we should have the ability to call back our MP...not sure how you can pull that off but it is food for thought.

Yes, the Conservatives did place their own senate members too...it is under the current Conservatives that Harper believes in election of the senate.

[UGS]

Originally posted by WACF


I also believe we should elect our senate...not appoint them the Liberal way.

It's not just the Liberal way. . .it's the only way we've done it. And yes, they should be elected. . .not paid 160K to attend two meetings/year

[Angel]

But who gets to elect the Senate?

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Angel
But who gets to elect the Senate?

We've got the same problem(not surprisingly)

I think they should do a PR system for the upper house, get more minority parties in and reflect the country better without weakening the government by having eternal coalitions in the main house.

But then what do I know...

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Steve Savicki
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10988596/

And just when I thought Canada could influence the United States to lean more towards the left. Of course relationships with Busch will improve. Sad, sad indeed.

So much for gays traveling up to Canada just so they could marry and enjoy that right like any other citizen.

If Canada moved any further to the left they'd make a complete right turn.
Steve, I think it's the US Liberals that have been influenced by the Canadian Liberals over the last decade, if you want to know the truth about it.

Sure, Bush sucks as a President, but so did Clinton, i'm not comparing the two because you can't compare an apple to it's clone.
The only difference, and i mean the ONLY difference is the label.

I am honestly at the conclusion that there aren't two parties anymore, just one "Corporate Master" that hides beneath the surface of both so-called Major Political Parties.

They're all crooks in my opinion, and none of them are proving they can be trusted with our best interests...that is of course unless your a mouth piece for either side and know how to sheep step it through the field of wolves with yer pals.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
We've got the same problem(not surprisingly)

I think they should do a PR system for the upper house, get more minority parties in and reflect the country better without weakening the government by having eternal coalitions in the main house.

But then what do I know...

You know that in a perfect world your idea would be a great one.
Unfortunately, greed requires people to throw others to the wolves and the entire US system is in the middle of a feeding frenzy.

Nobody has integrity anymore, not a fucking soul, especially those who chose politics as their profession.

I say put a Blue Collar guy in the office, i bet we would be better off with someone who actually knows or remembers what it's like to be an average Joe compared to people who have never had to wonder where their next meals were coming from.

I'm just tired of the elite (who aren't by the way) trying to govern people they are out of touch with.
Until you have eaten from a rusty spoon, YOU don't know shit.
The Minority are leading the Majority in this country and i have to wonder...When do we say, "Enough"?

[Steve Savicki]

Originally posted by Cathedral I am honestly at the conclusion that there aren't two parties anymore, just one "Corporate Master" that hides beneath the surface of both so-called Major Political Parties.

Not Corporate Master... Corporate America period... the end.