What a brave, patriotic American hero!

[Warham]

Liberals don't believe in personal responsibility, D.

They don't have any problem with her ditching her kids in a divorce settlement. Actually, they wouldn't have had any problem if she would have had Casey aborted before he was born. But since he made it out of her womb alive and served and died for his country admirably, she's a hero.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by diamondD
Yeah, she's a true American hero. We should all be ashamed of ourselves for daring to question her integrity.

Really? Do you have any credible sources to back any of these assertions up? I mean LOL it's not like I've seen a million right wing sites spread unsubstantiated vitriolic manure filled with half-truths, and even outright lies by distorting facts and just making them up, in order to attack perceived political enemies of the RNC...

Oh like, "CLINTON took money from Chinese intelligence" (it's bullshit because he took only slightly more money than the than the RNC took from Chinese intelligence, and it was delivered and accepted via front groups and American citizens posing as "fundraisers," not a direct donation as insinuated by hack agenda-'journalists' like McCarins)...

Or, "CLINTON spied on international callers from America, using the NSA, and with no FISA warrants, so it's no different for BUSH to do so" (it's bullshit, because Clinton ordered the NSA to spy ON FORIEGN NATIONALS working for foreign companies to exploit economic intelligence on behalf of American companies; this is something the beloved French had been doing for decades, and it was blown by a right wing traitor trying to discredit his administration, in a French newspaper no less...)

[FORD]

Claim: Cindy Sheehan's son, Casey, was raised by her ex-husband after the couple divorced and both remarried.

Status: False.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2005]

Another view of Cindy Sheehan

What is most interesting is that the press gives this little bunch of people who are protesting with Cindy so much air time without discussing Cindy's background. This is a case of more press bias.

It has been pointed out on just a couple of media outlets that Cindy divorced her first husband and left her son with him to be raised while she became a political activist for the Democrat Party. She had very little to do with her son in his growing years.

She remarried. The 1st husband remarried. The original father raised the son with his new wife. They miss their son and mourn the loss of his life. They have stated that they are very proud of their son and that they agree with the stance of America in Iraq and on terror. They said that their son was eager to serve and to go fight the terrorists in Iraq. He volunteered. How many news stations carried their interview? Not many.

So the son dies in Iraq and then Cindy shows up to make a stink. She gets an audience with Bush. That was not enough. She goes to Crawford and demands another audience. How many news stations carry the ongoing saga of Cindy? Practically all of them. Cindy didn't care about her son. She let another woman raise him. Cindy doesn't care about the other soldiers in Iraq. Cindy cares about her liberal, feminist agenda and about using the death of her son to lobby against Republicans and Bush. And the press is helping her. Why?

Then a few days ago, Cindy's 2nd husband filed for a divorce from Cindy. Cindy sounds like a feminist opportunist who did not have the sense of responsibility to even raise her own son. It looks like her 2nd husband is fed up with Cindy. We Middle Americans should be fed up with Cindy also. We should be fed up with the press. They manipulate us into their "group think" and into the responses that they want on their polls.

Origins: Casey Austin Sheehan, Cindy Sheehan a 24-year-old U.S. Army Specialist from California who served as a mechanic with the First Cavalry Division out of Fort Hood, Texas, was killed in an ambush near Sadr City, Iraq, on 4 April 2004. Since Casey's death, his mother, Cindy Sheehan, has become an outspoken critic of U.S. military involvement in Iraq, most famously holding a 26-day vigil outside President George W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, while the President was vacationing there in August 2005.

The piece quoted above, criticizing Ms. Sheehan's alleged lack of involvement in her son's upbringing after divorcing his father, is something fabricated out of whole cloth, evidently the product of someone's confusing a completely different family with the Sheehans. Cindy Sheehan and her husband, Patrick, were high school sweethearts who wed while both were in their early 20's and who have been married to each other for over 28 years. (Neither has ever been married to anyone else.) The couple had four children together, of whom Casey was the oldest. Both parents raised Casey together, first in the southern California community of Norwalk and later in the northern California town of Vacaville, where the Sheehans moved when Casey was 14.

Ms. Sheehan has maintained that her recent political activities placed a strain on her marriage that caused her and her husband to separate, as she expressed in an August 2005 interview:

Q: Have you lost any friends or family over this? Or, how do your husband and neighbors feel about your sudden rise to prominence in the media and the role you've accepted in those venues?

A: I have lost almost every friend that I had before Casey died. My husband and I are separated, because he doesn't support my activities, although he knows the war is a lie.

In fact, in August 2005 Patrick Sheehan filed for divorce, citing "irreconcilable differences" as the cause and stating that the couple had been separated since 1 June 2005. We're not aware of any interviews or news articles in which Mr. Sheehan has spoken publicly about his feelings regarding his son's death, his wife's political activities (and their effect on his marriage), or "the stance of America in Iraq and on
terror."

An interview conducted by Bill O'Reilly on the Fox News Channel possibly contributed to the mistaken belief that Cindy Sheehan's son Casey had come from a previous marriage and was raised by her ex-husband. The 15 August 2005 segment of The O'Reilly Factor began with a brief statement about Ms. Sheehan's having separated from her husband of 28 years over her "radicalism," but quickly segued into a reaction piece to a spot aired the previous week about Dolores Kesterson, another mother who, like Cindy Sheehan, lost a son in Iraq and was now opposed to U.S. military involvement there. That reaction piece consisted of an inteview with Clay Kesterson, the father of Chief Warrant Officer Erik Kesterson (who was killed in Iraq on 15 November 2003), and his current wife, M.J. Kesterson., during which the couple stated that Erik had lived with and been raised by them (rather than his biological mother, Delores), and that Erik "was 180 degrees on the other side of the position with his mom on anything political."

Last updated: 6 September 2005

The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sheehan.asp

[Warham]

Not much thought has to go into why her ex-husband doesn't support her activities.

Hey, FORD, is Ms. Sheehan of the same kind of heroic calibre as Coretta Scott King?

[diamondD]

Like I said, it was from an email I got, from another ex-military person that doesn't sympathize one bit with what she's doing...

Just like her family...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by diamondD
Like I said, it was from an email I got, from another ex-military person that doesn't sympathize one bit with what she's doing...

Just like her family...

And you repeated it, basically acting as though her entire family hates her, which is bullshit. But, you know you can sympathize with the fact that her son died serving in Iraq, and disagree with her at the same time without calling her a "dumb cunt."

I mean, how of the guys that are actually spewing shit on right wing blogs have served, themselves lost relatives, or like myself, actually know people that have lost relatives in IRAQ?

BTW, I never said I totally agree with her, in fact I think she's a bit of an attention whore in over her head. But she still has a point...

[Warham]

What point does she have? My memory needs to be refreshed after all of her attention-whoring with Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and other third world dictators.

She's basically said the United States has been evil ever since Columbus first smoked some weed with native americans back in 1492.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Warham
Not much thought has to go into why her ex-husband doesn't support her activities.

Hey, FORD, is Ms. Sheehan of the same kind of heroic calibre as Coretta Scott King?

There are differences.

Mrs King knew exactly what noble cause her husband died for.

Mrs Sheehan has asked the BCE repeatedly what noble cause her son died for, and they refuse to answer.

[Warham]

Originally posted by FORD
There are differences.

Mrs King knew exactly what noble cause her husband died for.

Mrs Sheehan has asked the BCE repeatedly what noble cause her son died for, and they refuse to answer.

I can answer that for her. She doesn't need to go to Bush for answers.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
What point does she have? My memory needs to be refreshed after all of her attention-whoring with Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and other third world dictators.

CHAVEZ isn't a dictator, he was democratically elected in a free and fair election. ANd I don't recall seeing any pics of her with Castro.

She's basically said the United States has been evil ever since Columbus first smoked some weed with native americans back in 1492.

"Basically?" What did she 'actually' say, let's have a quote from her entire statement, so it's not taken out of context and spun by Bill (let's fuck up IRAQ and leave) O'REILLY...

[Warham]

We've went over this before, Nick. In several threads. I'm surprised with your sterling memory, you can't seem to recall at this time.

[Warham]

"America has been killing people on this continent since it was started. This country is not worth dying for."

[Warham]

The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.


Sincerely,
Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
"America has been killing people on this continent since it was started.

Wow, that's a shock! How untrue, er, oh wait....

Let's ask some Native Americans about that?

This country is not worth dying for."

Spoken like a pissed off mother over her son's death in a war where the justification changes and bends from some absurdest notion of desperate, proactive self-defense to "freedom-spreading"...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.


Sincerely,
Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.

Updated 8/18/2005 6:25 PM

Sheehan leaves Crawford to care for mother after stroke
CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) — The grieving woman who started an anti-war demonstration near President Bush's ranch nearly two weeks ago left the camp Thursday after learning her mother had had a stroke, but she told supporters the protest would go on.
....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-18-peace-mom_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

Did her other family members take care of her mother after the stroke?