Muslim Cartoon Row

[ULTRAMAN VH]

It's real simple!!! Actions speak louder than words. Muslims carry a clear message, you are with us or you are against us. Their actions over a cartoon clearly demonstrate that violence takes precedence over peace. America and the rest of the world better wise up quick. I don't see many modern day christians willing to die for their faith. Muslims are fanatical, which makes them very dangerous. How can you defend yourself against someone who will attach a bomb to his or her back.
You can freely walk into a Catholic. Baptist or Methodist church and pray. Try walking into a Mosque, you will be greeted by a 300 pound monster man and escorted out by your Buster Browns. It just staggers the imagination how the U.S. and European countries are so tolerant of this fanatical faith, yet if given the power they would destroy us in one fell swoop. Now I am in know way defending Christianity. History has proven time and again that organized religion has caused some major wars throughout the centuries. But in this day and age Christianity is light fare compared to fanatical Muslims.

[Nickdfresh]

Funny, but a lot of "fanatical Muslims" in IRAQ seem to get really upset when their children are killed by terrorists, or US bombs... It's almost like they have human emotions or something....

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Nick, I understand your point and I am not a supporter of the war. I am a registered Republican, but I have a real problem with the current neo con powered Administration. Any loss of human life is tragic. Unfortunatley we are in a world where the leaders of all countries are bent on acquiring power and controlling the world. History has proven time and again that this is a fools errand. The Absurdity Of Life continues.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by FORD
If Jesus was walking the earth for about the last 50 years or so, do you think He would be marching with Martin Luther King, healing the sick and feeding the starving people in Africa, and building Habitat for Humanity homes with Jimmy Carter (He was a carpenter, after all)

Or

plotting wars for profit and fascism with the BCE and oppressing homosexuals with Falwell & Robertson?

Not much of a contest.

You surely don't know the nature of Jesus Christ if you think he would be marching FOR abortion, approving of homosexuals, or some of the other liberal crap you believe in.

[flatbroke]

Cartoon contest

The Muslim world's explosive reaction demonstrates once again the failure of Islam in the modern age — its adherents are prepared to expend seemingly infinite energy in defense of religious beliefs not many of them are prepared to practice. Now, Iran is sponsoring a cartoon contest about the Holocaust.

Rectifying the hypocrisy that riddles Islam's efforts to be portrayed in a better light is the fundamental issue at stake for Muslims, not the freedom of the press. Muslims lived up to the stereotype in those cartoons.

[jhale667]

Any religion/mindset that calls for violence in response to even the slightest perceived insult is a complete and utter failure.

[flatbroke]

Cartoon nonsense

Any religion/mindset that calls for violence in response to even the slightest perceived insult is a complete and utter failure

That, plus if these characters get their way, listening to CVH would be banned.

[jhale667]

Re: Cartoon nonsense

Originally posted by flatbroke
That, plus if these characters get their way, listening to CVH would be banned.

...And all women would be wearing burkas. No thanks.

[Cathedral]

Um, so am i to assume that everyone thinks it's ok for any media source to be insensitive to the cultures of others?

They are not completely without guilt here as they were the one's who pulled the trigger in the first place.

No, the violence isn't justified, but it should have been expected.

Remember when many muslims went playing on the beach building sand monuments celebrating the attack on 9-11?

Maybe we should have taken to the streets and burned down every Mosgue we could get our hands on.

And also, Nick, what in the hell does this have to do with Iraq?
I mean really.....try thinking about this for just a minute buddy.
We have been in Iraq for 3 years and nothing like this viloent uprising has come to pass, but a cartoon sparks a retaliation that has muslims calling for the heads of cartoonists?

There is a huge flaw in that reasoning, bro, and you need to quit trying to justify everything with whats going on in Iraq.
They are two completely different issues in the first place.

Nice try though...

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Um, so am i to assume that everyone thinks it's ok for any media source to be insensitive to the cultures of others?

No. But any culture that has a rule against artistic depictions of their deity or prophets, satirical or otherwise, deserves ridicule. Sorry.

[jhale667]

OK, let me try to be a tad bit more diplomatic . I believe they should be prepared to have a theological debate on that premise, if you will, rather than go on homicidal rampages thus embodying the stereotypical fanatic view of their culture.

How's that?

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by jhale667
No. But any culture that has a rule against artistic depictions of their deity or prophets, satirical or otherwise, deserves ridicule. Sorry.

Ahhh, you missed my point...
I think the whole rebellion is stupid, so i agree with you.

But the artists are not without some blame and we have to keep in mind that they aren't part of our culture so the social rules are indeed different.
maybe i should say that it wasn't so much a "wrong" thing to do as much as it was an "insensitive" thing to do depicting someone's religious symbol in any fashion.

There were protests by American Muslim's here in the states, but they weren't violent like they were in the middle east because our laws would not have tolerated that for a second.

Ok, my entire point is that it was uncalled for to begin with.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by jhale667
OK, let me try to be a tad bit more diplomatic . I believe they should be prepared to have a theological debate on that premise, if you will, rather than go on homicidal rampages thus embodying the stereotypical fanatic view of their culture.

How's that?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you'll NEVER change a Muslim's mind about this.

Ever been to the Middle East? It's an entirely different world over there. Religion isn't something you wear on your sleeve or what you do for an hour a day one day a week...it's who you are.

Telling the Muslim World to "get over it" is taking a highly simplistic approach to the problem.

Before you suggest it, no, I don't suggest we back down or apologize either.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you'll NEVER change a Muslim's mind about this.

Ever been to the Middle East? It's an entirely different world over there. Religion isn't something you wear on your sleeve or what you do for an hour a day one day a week...it's who you are.

Telling the Muslim World to "get over it" is taking a highly simplistic approach to the problem.

Before you suggest it, no, I don't suggest we back down or apologize either.

Sometimes the most simplistic approach is the most effective . And no, I've never been there, and I only know a very few Muslims, and not all that personally. But being that hypersensitive and overly serious about any religion is just wacky.

I agree there should be no apology or concession. The line NEEDS to be drawn in the sand, if you will...Normal citizens of the free world on this side, fanatical nutjobs on the other.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Cathedral
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And also, Nick, what in the hell does this have to do with Iraq?
I mean really.....try thinking about this for just a minute buddy.
We have been in Iraq for 3 years and nothing like this viloent uprising has come to pass, but a cartoon sparks a retaliation that has muslims calling for the heads of cartoonists?

There is a huge flaw in that reasoning, bro, and you need to quit trying to justify everything with whats going on in Iraq.
They are two completely different issues in the first place.

Nice try though...

I wasn't talking to you CAT...

I was merely answering the typical "all Muslims are fanatical suicide bombers" crap (the same stuff I've been hearing since I've been in high school during the Iran-Iraq War BTW) by the post just above mine...

Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
...I don't see many modern day christians willing to die for their faith. Muslims are fanatical, which makes them very dangerous. How can you defend yourself against someone who will attach a bomb to his or her back...

I'll try to 'censure' my Iraq comments from now on so I don't offend you...