10 Foiled Attacks Says White House

[diamondD]

I don't get any more worried when the threat level gets elevated. It's been a wash too many times. It won't work as intended until it actually proves to be effective against an actual threat that can be substantiated.

However, I was more scared of putting John Kerry in the office than I was of any "terra-alert" going on around then...

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Just speaking the truth. Aren't you one of the ones that cries when FORD screws with the posts of a retard on a message board, but think it's okay for the gov't to monitor potentially all international calls (possibly inhibiting business and journalists)?

But feel free to try to find a direct comparison to the Third Reich in my post....

Hey, you are the one who compared the tactics of our government to Nazis, not me. Taking a play out of Durbin's playbook, are we?

I think the government CAN and SHOULD monitor all calls coming in and going out of our country. It's not inhibiting anyone, unless they are terrorists. And when we are talking about 'monitoring', we are talking about a computer system that is looking for certain key words and strings of key words like 'I'm thinking of ramming through the front gate of the White House with my van full of explosives', or 'I think I'll strap on a few pounds of TNT and run down to Times Square.' The government doesn't have a darkened and smoke-filled room full of NSA agents actually listening to all of these calls, unless they meet said requirements.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Angel
BULLSHIT. The biggest threat to the world right now is GWB.

Get your ass back under that bed you have been hiding under. We'll protect you.

[blueturk]

Originally posted by Warham
Were you scared on election day, turk? Did you have your security blanket with you when you voted for Kerry?

No. The fear factor doesn't work on me. Did you carry a copy of "My Pet Goat" with you when you voted for Bush?

[Big Train]

Originally posted by FORD
Malloy is in Atlanta. But that's beside the point. As I said, there was a false "terralert" every other week, but none of them were ever specifically for the LA area alone. And the fake alerts were always announced right when the BCE had some bad press they needed to get off the airwaves/cyberspace.

What the fuck are you talking about? I can think of at least 3 instances off the top of my head where the threat was specific too LA and we were warned about it.

But I guess some guy in Atlanta needs to tell you about what LA did or did not get warned about.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Hey, you are the one who compared the tactics of our government to Nazis, not me. Taking a play out of Durbin's playbook, are we?

Which 'tactics' did I compare? If you're going to state ridiculous shit, then at least back it up with something...

I think the government CAN and SHOULD monitor all calls coming in and going out of our country. It's not inhibiting anyone, unless they are terrorists.

Actually, it won't "inhibit" terrorists, but it is already inhibiting civil liberties, when journalists and members of conservative think tanks say they are already watching what they say and report, then it is in fact inhibiting civil liberties. Such overreaching programs also can swamp the intelligence agencies with too much information to wade through, often causing them to miss actual threats...

And when we are talking about 'monitoring', we are talking about a computer system that is looking for certain key words and strings of key words like 'I'm thinking of ramming through the front gate of the White House with my van full of explosives', or 'I think I'll strap on a few pounds of TNT and run down to Times Square.'

No. We're talking about people pouring over recordings and transcripts of speech....

And terrorists are smart enough not use use words like 'truck-bomb.' So by your own admission, a system can be easily circumvented by using a simple code or euphemisms...

The government doesn't have a darkened and smoke-filled room full of NSA agents actually listening to all of these calls, unless they meet said requirements.

Not the requirements of the FISA Court apparently...

And some NSA officers have refused to "follow orders" for fear of breaking the law, which tells me something.

When the terrorists roll back our civil liberties, and when the gov't begins to act lawlessly in response, they've already won a victory...

[Warham]

Nick, you may a suggestion that our government is on the road to becoming the next Germany in 1933. Do I have to point out the post for you?

I don't find the program overreaching at all. The intelligence agencies need to get their act together, something they didn't do in the 1990's.

The people in the NSA should pour over transcripts of phone calls. Like I said, if your not a terrorist, you have nothing to worry about. And if some Joe Blow's been busted who's completely innocent, give me an example.

Like I said, if this was illegal, then the Justice Department didn't know about it, because they gave the go ahead to Bush to do the program.

The terrorists aren't rolling back any of our civil liberties. Tell me, Nick, have your civil liberties been violated?

[Nitro Express]

Sure politicians can grab and abuse power in the United States. But they can't hold onto it. The system is designed to limit power.

There's a double edged sword with this terrorism threat. One, they can hit us again and two the govt. can use the threat of it happening again as an excuse to grab more power and dissolve are liberties.

At times like these we must be very careful who we put in office. Bush has been a discrace but I don't know if anyone running in the next election is any better. That's the big question.

Too many variables. Anything can happen now. That's why I enjoy life now today, because someone might fuck up tommorrow.

The more this bullshit goes on the more I see we are divided as a country. The threat of terrorism is tearing our country apart I'm afraid.

[bobgnote]

Originally posted by DR CHIP
White House lists 10 foiled attacks

Thursday, February 9, 2006; Posted: 12:52 p.m. EST (17:52 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Thursday that the U.S.-led global war on terror had "weakened" al Qaeda and cited as proof international efforts that he said had thwarted a terrorist plot to attack Los Angeles.

Members of an al Qaeda affiliate in Asia had planned to crash a commercial airplane into the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles in 2002, Bush said.

That US Bank Tower is the DEAD MAN WALKING, nudged by the assasination in Jordan of HalloweenX's Producer, an LA area guy.

Note how Al Queda returned to finish off WTC, after the earlier car-bombing.

The US Bank Tower has big ol' facades on it, like the Jason-Mike Myers character with the kitchen knife, at the door, wearing a hockey mask, after Jamie Lee all her jonesin' night, all her life, Halloween after Halloween.

The dead man walking is what is after OUR REAL ESTATE. The initial anti-funding wave of the unfair, conspiratorially manipulated 2000-1 power deals, from the Congressional and Legislative multi-state-US-international FRAUD merchants, illegally situated in the White House, Congress, and in all the inferior, similarly anti-representative bodies.

No legitimate administration precedes or follows those inflationary power deals. And the monkey-show-biz crowd including anti-representatives likes to continue the multi-media pretense that the power deals are NOT inflationary and that the subsequent Al Queda attacks on 9/11/2001 are unrrelated.

But the spectre of the US Bank Tower is so hockey-mask suggestive, when the image speculation follows any overdue notice, hey, when ya'all are finally READY to be plaintiffs, that banks which do business in the USA look EXAC TLY like the killer-dead-man, with the knife up right at the door. These banks just had a dozen unethical interest hikes, designed to manipulate real estate illegally into a position, where wholesale bank conquests may follow.

Al Queda may have really only had an intent to knock out that US Bank Tower by 2008, in the wake of the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. But now that the US is trying to play lawnmower in the desert AND fund it with our butts and the energy companys' penises, we face the spectre that our government which manipulated all the angles of the invasions since 1948 now conspires to injure us, by provoking replies by Al Queda, exceeding the original hijack and crash demonstrations.

After 9/11/2001 (adds to 23 just like 5/8/2008 does, eh), the direction of the actually fraudulent US and state governments is to pretend the inflation from their power deals and plays does not exist, then hurt us with NSA-FBI-GAY-PUNK.

But the US gets to have NEITHER the illegal inflation (see BRAC?) nor military aid to Israel, which used to be a West Bank sneak for those runaways from Eithiopia, who now impose an Orthodox Jewish republic not only on Palestine, but on the entire world, now for adjustments or removals.

Or don't we think so? The two situs, the Israel and the US power fraud-fund drain are like the two WTC towers, both now stricken, but NONE of the responsible Wallys up in the top floors OR else are fighting fires or effectively evacuating. Dilbert Wallys, man. Spikey hair bosses. Shitheads. Bushbots. Turdpies where pussy hair needs a closer crop.

You know, Designer Women, where Jeannie and Delta left because Laura and Jenna are kinda retiring, where Julia looks like our SF Co. DA. Shake, bake, sugar, all shit, soon.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
Nick, you may a suggestion that our government is on the road to becoming the next Germany in 1933. Do I have to point out the post for you?

Apparently, because that's not really what I said. I guess I have too since you're too lazy, basically I said that's how things get started. I made no predictions nor statements to the extent you misquote them...

I don't find the program overreaching at all. The intelligence agencies need to get their act together, something they didn't do in the 1990's.

How would you know if it's overreaching? You think everybody should be spied upon..

The people in the NSA should pour over transcripts of phone calls.

Yeah, they should waste time and resources achieving nothing. Just like police should investigate everybody in hopes of preventing a murder, all 300million US citizens. Because hey, if you're not guilty, what do you have to worry about?

[quote]Like I said, if your not a terrorist, you have nothing to worry about. And if some Joe Blow's been busted who's completely innocent, give me an example.['/quote]

Yeah! Fuck the Constitution! Who needs individual liberty anyways?

Like I said, if this was illegal, then the Justice Department didn't know about it, because they gave the go ahead to Bush to do the program.

Yeah, right, the sycophants BUSH selects won't tell him anything is illegal...

The terrorists aren't rolling back any of our civil liberties. Tell me, Nick, have your civil liberties been violated?

No. The gov't is using them as an excuse too.

How would I know, it would be a secret, wouldn't it?

[Warham]

So, if you don't know either way whether your civil liberties have been violated, why the uproar? Why not wait until all the facts come out and the commision's report comes in before saying this is how Germany started out?