Dubya's Ratings Hit A New Low...Again

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
Won't matter how "energized" the other side is...you can sit and whine form the back seat, but whoever has control of the steering wheel is choosing whether everyone in the car is eating at McDonalds or Peter Lugers.

Actually, BUSH is the best gift the DEMs have had...

Fuck, 51% of the American people think the Republicans are incompetent on the economy..

BTW, why is a white trash douche tube like yourself such a BUSH lover... Oh yes, uneducated trailer trash votes on rhetoric, not facts or logic...

Need proof of that? How many times has Bush made "unpopular" decisions? How often has he backed off from them??

Yeah, I know retards that keep making bad decisions too...

But I guess stubborness derived from ignorance and insecurity is a good thing in your little world?

"Energized"? Please. You couldn't have been more energized than in November 2004...and how did THAT end up?

It ended up as the lowest percentage that an incumbent President has ever been reelected... And that's if you take away the voter fraud speculation...

BUSH's, and the Republicans only real strength is on "terror," and that's quickly eroding away under their monumental incompetence...

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh



It ended up as the lowest percentage that an incumbent President has ever been reelected...

But he was. You just backed yourself into checkmate. But what else would I expect from you, you dumb alcoholic lonely loser?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
I'm still waiitng for the part where its any business of yours, Lancelot.

It was made my business, Cuntalot...

And by the way, the PM was more or less a JOKE. I mean, come on...a girl gets a PM saying "Take off your panties" from a guy named "Eat My Asshole"? Yeah, I was reeeeeaally expecting a response of "OH MY GOD< YES YES They're off..Do me do me do me">

Uh, not.

Yeah, such a joke douche tube. Does anyone dispute that this online fagathon is anything but a crude, fucking retarded troll?

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh


Does anyone dispute that this online fagathon is anything but a crude, fucking retarded troll?

Those who say, don't know.

Those who know, don't say.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
But he was.

I never said he wasn't asstard, except for in 2000, where he lost the popular vote...

You just backed yourself into checkmate. But what else would I expect from you, you dumb alcoholic lonely loser?

Check mate? No, fuck tard, you're clueless, and if I were an "alcoholic loser," I'd randomly PM female-posters on a website I apparently hate, in hopes I could actually see a pussy for real for once...

Now get back to the Star Trek convention ass-lube.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
Those who say, don't know.

Those who know, don't say.

Is this what they call "gay-rage poetry?"

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE


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Need proof of that? How many times has Bush made "unpopular" decisions? How often has he backed off from them??

Hmmmm.

Let's see, shall we?



Said there should NOT be a 9/11 commission, then buckled under pressure.

Said he wouldn't testify, but then buckled under pressure [as long as dicky came with]

Said Rice wouldn't testify, buckled under pressure

Came out against the creation of a Homeland Security, but then buckled

Stumped for months on our dime to privatize Social Security, but buckled under pressure

Said Harriet Meieirs was the MOST qualified person he knew for the bench LMMFAO

Wouldn't support McCains torture bill, but ended up flip-flopping.

Don't even need to list the the myriad of others like Plame, Dubai, et al.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Actually, BUSH is the best gift the DEMs have had...

Tell me about it, it's been a gift that gives for a solid 8 years, baby!

With any luck at all you'll get another one later this year and a huge one yet again in '08.

I am however glad you see him as a gift.
Hell, I don't like the man but he beats the alternative and has kept the White House out of Liberal possession for 6 years so far.

But hey, when you care to give the very best, don't skimp, go all out.

Just keep telling yourself with every cringe the 2000 election gives you....It's the electoral thought, i mean vote, that counts.

The popular vote doesn't elect Presidents, so it doesn't matter who the fuck anyone votes for beyond state and local issues...why does everyone carry on as though we actually do have a voice in choosing Presidents?
Is everyone that stupid or what?
Electoral votes determine who gets the state, the popular vote does not, is it like advanced rocket science here?
I fail to see any reason why I can blame any registered voter for the outcome of a Presidential Race.

It's the epitomy of stupid in my opinion when everyone, even the candidates themselves, know which votes do the electing.

I guess that decades and decades of "feeling" like we matter has resulted in people ignoring the obvious and believeing we actually do.

Ok, let's ignore all this factual logic and attack each other some more, i'll start.

"Hey, you liberal nazi, your mother wears combat boots and works in a meat packing plant...oh i'm sorry, i meant to say Whore House but same diff...!"

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
And by the way, the PM was more or less a JOKE. I mean, come on...a girl gets a PM saying "Take off your panties" from a guy named "Eat My Asshole"? Yeah, I was reeeeeaally expecting a response of "OH MY GOD< YES YES They're off..Do me do me do me">

Uh, not.

ROFL! :D

[blueturk]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
YAWN

Does that mean he'll have to revoke his Supreme Court nominees? Nope, they've already gotten the job. (and will be the most enduring legacy of any president's tenure)....

Sure. The incredibly poorly planned war in Iraq and the biggest deficit in history won't mean a thing when history looks back on the Bush/Orwell administration, will they? I guess The Ministry Of Truth will make sure of that, right? Fucking sheep.

[URL=http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-13-bush-iraq-cover_x.htm]http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-13-bush-iraq-cover_x.htm[/URL

Posted 3/13/2006 11:19 PM

Conflict will define Bush's role in history
By Susan Page, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Three years after the U.S.-led invasion, the war in Iraq is dominating George W. Bush's presidency and defining his legacy.
As surely as Franklin Roosevelt is remembered most for his leadership during World War II and Lyndon Johnson for Vietnam, presidential scholars and some of Bush's own advisers predict that history will judge Bush by his decision to order a pre-emptive attack on Iraq on March 19, 2003, and by the long-term consequences of America's first war of the 21st century.


His signature No Child Left Behind education bill? Overshadowed. Individual investment accounts in Social Security? Beaten back. Tax simplification? Shelved. The "compassionate conservative" he described in 2000? Replaced by a wartime president arguing the need to stay the course in a conflict that has lasted longer and cost more than most Americans imagined when it began.

"They were expecting to move on to a bunch of other things in the second term like Social Security reform and the 'ownership society,' but all that has been pushed aside because of Iraq," says political scientist Steven Schier, author of High Risk and Big Ambition: The Presidency of George W. Bush. "It's the whale in the bathtub for the administration."

Nearly two-thirds of Americans say the Iraq war will be what Bush is most remembered for, according to a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll taken Friday through Sunday. Just 18% cite the president's efforts against terrorism, 10% his response to Hurricane Katrina, 5% his Supreme Court appointments. Tax cuts, the hallmark of his first year in office, were chosen by 2%

The invasion of Iraq has shaped not only what the president has done in office — including policies he hopes will spark democracy across the Arab world — but also what he's been unable to do because of the war's demands. It has jeopardized his hopes of forging an enduring Republican majority.

"There's no question the president's legacy will be dominated by Iraq," says Mark McKinnon, a top adviser in Bush's presidential campaigns. "The war is really driving almost everything in government."

Consider:

• Bush's job-approval rating in the USA TODAY Poll has declined in almost perfect tandem with falling support for the war, overwhelming the boost he might have expected from relatively optimistic views of the economy. In the new poll, his standing sank to a record low, 36%. (Related: Approval rating at new low | Results)

• That erosion and the focus on the war have cost him political clout on other fronts, from creating health savings accounts to facing congressional opposition to the Dubai ports deal.

• The financial bill for the war — now running nearly $6 billion a month — has limited the administration's options on seeking more tax cuts and cutting the deficit.

When the war began, 69% of those surveyed said the United States was "certain" to win in Iraq; an additional 25% said victory was likely. No more: In the new poll, four in 10 predict the United States is likely or certain to lose.

On Monday, Bush delivered the first of several speeches to mark the war's three-year milestone and defend its progress. "I wish I could tell you that the violence is waning and that the road ahead will be smooth," he said in an address at George Washington University. "It will not." He asked for patience and vowed resolve.

History's judgment

Supporters note that history's judgment will wait for the conflict's outcome and its long-term repercussions — something that may not be known for decades.

"We're in the middle of a struggle that is not fated" to end one way or the other, says David Frum, a former White House speechwriter for Bush. "Depending on whether America does or does not succeed, the president will be judged accordingly. I know many people speak very harshly about him right now. I think that the final judgment is going to be from the result."

At the moment, efforts to form a broad-based government in Iraq are struggling, and sectarian conflict between Sunni Arabs and Shiites has become a bigger threat than the insurgency, according to Army Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East. A full-fledged civil war would multiply the perils for the U.S. mission. Already more than 2,300 U.S. troops have died there.

Bush's allies compare him to Harry Truman, unpopular during much of his tenure but highly regarded in retrospect. Bush's critics compare him instead to Johnson, a fellow Texan whose presidency was engulfed by the Vietnam War.

"It's going to take us a while to figure out whether Iraq in the long term is a plus or minus for us," Schier says. "Is it Vietnam or something much more successful?" How wise will the doctrine of pre-emption turn out to be? And, in the end, will the war spread democracy or instability?

The lesson from Truman and Johnson: Wars trump almost everything else. Efforts to do other big things often are overtaken by the demands and controversies of war. Since the United States was founded, it has been involved in only four wars longer than this one: the Civil War, World War II, the Korean conflict and Vietnam.

"War kills reform," says Robert Dallek, an LBJ biographer and author of Hail to the Chief: The Making and Unmaking of American Presidents. "It consumes the energy of the administration, the public, the press. This is what the focus is on."

The Spanish-American War curtailed a populist wave. The Progressive Movement ended when World War I began. When the United States entered World War II, FDR told Americans that "Dr. New Deal" had been replaced by "Dr. Win-the-War." The Korean War stalled Truman's Fair Deal. Vietnam overshadowed the Great Society.

For Bush, the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, transformed a presidency that had been focused on domestic affairs into one consumed by concerns about international terrorism. The invasion of Afghanistan a month later to oust the Taliban regime, which had sheltered al-Qaeda terrorists, commanded broad foreign and domestic support.

The decision to invade Iraq was far more controversial. Within months, more than four in 10 Americans were calling the war a mistake; now 57% do. An American public that had united in the wake of 9/11 divided over the attack on Iraq, and that split has hardened. While seven of 10 Republicans now say sending troops wasn't a mistake, eight of 10 Democrats say it was. So do six of 10 independents.

Bush's top strategist, Karl Rove, talked expansively in 2000 about building a durable GOP majority akin to the one William McKinley forged in 1896; it prevailed until the Great Depression of 1929. The divisions over the Iraq war have made that a more distant prospect.

Some GOP successes

Republicans have scored political successes. Bush is only the 15th president to win a second term. Since he has been in the White House, the GOP has gained five seats in the Senate and 10 in the House. Still, the proportion of Americans who describe themselves as Republican, now 32%, hasn't changed since Bush's first inauguration. His approval rating among independents, at 54% when he took office, has dived to 23%.

The elections in November will test the public's views of Bush and the war. "The president is always somewhere on the horizon in any midterm election, and in this one it might very well be more than the usual referendum on the president," says Mickey Edwards, a former Oklahoma congressman and member of the House Republican leadership. "Bush could be a heavy shadow in this election."

New York Sen. Charles Schumer, chairman of the Democrats' Senate campaign committee, says Iraq has become "a metaphor" damaging to Bush: Concerns about the administration's competence were raised by the war, ignited by the faltering response to Katrina and reinforced by the maladroit handling of the controversy over a Dubai-owned firm taking over some cargo operations at six U.S. ports.

A majority of Americans continues to view the president as a strong leader, and most approve of his handling of terrorism. By nearly 2-1, however, they disapprove of his handling of the war. Most say the administration deliberately misled the American public before the war in asserting that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

The repercussions of that judgment doomed initiatives closer to home, according to Michael Tanner of the libertarian Cato Institute, a White House ally on its proposed Social Security overhaul. In the State of the Union address in 2005, Bush called that the top domestic priority of his second term.

"For those of us out in the field, we could tell support for the idea of personal accounts declined with the president's rating," Tanner says. "Particularly as we went through last year, and the war was going badly and the disapproval of Bush was ratcheting up, it had a significant impact." The trouble wasn't that Bush failed to stump for his plan, Tanner says. The problem was convincing skeptics to try a controversial approach that had been sketched in broad strokes. "He said 'Trust me,' " Tanner says. "People said, 'No, we don't.' "

The setback on Social Security in turn made the president reluctant to pursue the tax-simplification plan drawn up by a bipartisan commission he appointed, according to the panel's co-chairman, former senator John Breaux. Bush had spent much of his political capital already, and the White House was finding it "hard to juggle all the balls in the air at the same time," the Louisiana Democrat says.

Breaux argues that tax reform could have been a unifying achievement for Bush. Now, he says, Iraq is "going to be the first line in the history books: He got tied up in a war that was very difficult to get out of."

Bush seems to be thinking about the history books, too. When conservative commentator Fred Barnes interviewed the president last summer for his book Rebel-in-Chief, Bush noted he had read three new books analyzing the first president's place in history. "He said, 'Even after 200 years, they're still reassessing George Washington,' " Barnes recalls. " 'What will they say about me?' "

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-03-13-bush-iraq-cover_x.htm

[Warham]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
BTW, he was asking your friends to "take her panties off" via PM...

So? She's been PMed before, and she has handled herself quite well before.

This doesn't bother me.

[Steve Savicki]

The face of a flustered chimp:
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[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Tell me about it, it's been a gift that gives for a solid 8 years, baby!

With any luck at all you'll get another one later this year and a huge one yet again in '08.

I am however glad you see him as a gift.
Hell, I don't like the man but he beats the alternative and has kept the White House out of Liberal possession for 6 years so far.

Was CLINTON a "liberal?" The economy was good, and we spent within our means to the point where we were well on the way to eradicating the deficit

[quote]But hey, when you care to give the very best, don't skimp, go all out.

Just keep telling yourself with every cringe the 2000 election gives you....It's the electoral thought, I mean vote, that counts.

And I've stated that maybe it's better that BUSH has to take responsibility for his Mesopotamia cluster fuck, rather than blaming some Democrat that succeeds him

The popular vote doesn't elect Presidents, so it doesn't matter who the fuck anyone votes for beyond state and local issues...why does everyone carry on as though we actually do have a voice in choosing Presidents?
Is everyone that stupid or what?

We don't have the input because of those very sentiments...

People voting against KERRY by voting for BUSH did irreparable damage to this country..

Electoral votes determine who gets the state, the popular vote does not, is it like advanced rocket science here?
I fail to see any reason why I can blame any registered voter for the outcome of a Presidential Race.

Really? I wasn't sure. But it shouldn't be that way, and the electoral system is outmoded...

And the Supreme Court should have take that into consideration when deciding who was going to be President in 2000...

It's the epitomy of stupid in my opinion when everyone, even the candidates themselves, know which votes do the electing.

I guess that decades and decades of "feeling" like we matter has resulted in people ignoring the obvious and believeing we actually do.

Ok, let's ignore all this factual logic and attack each other some more, i'll start.

"Hey, you liberal nazi, your mother wears combat boots and works in a meat packing plant...oh i'm sorry, i meant to say Whore House but same diff...!"

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Are you okay CAT? Maybe you need a break from the interweb...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Warham
So? She's been PMed before, and she has handled herself quite well before.

This doesn't bother me.

He's done it like three times...

And I don't buy his 'it was only a joke' explanation either.

[scamper]

Whats the over/under on Bush's finale rating?