US Soldiers vs. D-List Celebrities Bill Maher, Richard Belzer

**LoungeMachine** · 03-23-2006, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by diamondD
So your solution is cut and run? Jeez...

Cut and run is a politcal red herring, and you know that, d2

Withdraw and delcare victory with honor is another way to spin it.

Haven't we already accomplished every objective you guys gave for going in there in the first place??????

wmd
saddam
elections

**diamondD** · 03-23-2006, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by FORD
To expand Roy's analogy, you may hate the coach of the Vikings, but at least he used to be a football player, so he knows what it's like on the field.

The "coaches" of the current Pentagon (i.e. Team BCE/PNAC) don't have a fucking clue about the "game", because they had "other priorities" when it was their turn to be on the field at Ho Chi Minh stadium.

You didn't expand it, you twisted it.

**Roy Munson** · 03-23-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I've asked this same thing over and over and over........and NEVER gotten a straight answer.

WHAT DOES "WIN THE DAMN THING MEAN"??????????????

How many elections?

Is winning wiping out every "insurgent"???? Got news for you guys.......AINT NEVER GONNA HAPPEN

What the fuck is a WIN for you guys?

Simple question.

Great question and I really think the answer is a difficult one at best.

I don't think winning means "wiping out every insurgent." I do think that winning means getting to the point where a new Iraqi government can control their own situation without our help and continue with democracy. I believe it's crucial that this happens. If this ONE country in the Middle East can make it work then we have succeeded tremendously. It will change everything in the years to come.

We will probably never completely eradicate all of these Isamo-fascist thugs. It's the notion of being one-up on them that equates to a winning strategy.

My .02.

**LoungeMachine** · 03-23-2006, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Roy Munson

At least our Pres knows how to fly a fighter jet.

LMMFAO

Flying that plane
High on Cocaine
Chimpy Jones you better, watch your speed

**diamondD** · 03-23-2006, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Cut and run is a politcal red herring, and you know that, d2

Withdraw and delcare victory with honor is another way to spin it.

Haven't we already accomplished every objective you guys gave for going in there in the first place??????

wmd
saddam
elections

Is the government fully functioning and able to take care of itself?
Being this part of the world and the stubborness of these people, I'm not sure how long that's going to take, but we have to set a timetable for them to get their shit together.

They don't have a fully functioning military and police force yet. Wasn't that a reason given for staying? Is that done? If we left and it fell apart, all you'd be saying is the same old "mission accomplished" stuff over and over.

back at ya.

**Roy Munson** · 03-23-2006, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
LMMFAO

Flying that plane
High on Cocaine
Chimpy Jones you better, watch your speed

Is that the best you got? I'm disappointed.

**LoungeMachine** · 03-23-2006, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Roy Munson

I do think that winning means getting to the point where a new Iraqi government can control their own situation without our help

Fair enough, but still awfully ambiguous.

Instead, how about this tact?

Hey, Iraqi Government........here's a fucking deadline to stand up and get your shit together.

We're leaving in 6 months, so sit down, shut up, and work this shit out, because we're not going to breast feed your lazy asses for the next 20 years.

Jesus Christ.........learn to fucking do it for yourselves. We did the heavey lifting for you.....now dig in and help yourselves.

A little tough love is on the menu.

It's like the assholes who still live with mom and dad in their 20's

Fuck this "cut n run" bullshit you guys cry about.

By the way, you now owe us 200 BILLION DOLLARS.....

**LoungeMachine** · 03-23-2006, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Roy Munson
Is that the best you got? I'm disappointed.

I know.

Me too.

It was a late night, and the caffeine aint kicked in yet.

Cut me some slack, bro

**jhale667** · 03-23-2006, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
LMMFAO

Flying that plane
High on Cocaine
Chimpy Jones you better, watch your speed

LMAO

Trouble ahead
trouble behind
and you know a notion ain't crossed his mind...

**LoungeMachine** · 03-23-2006, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by diamondD

but we have to set a timetable for them to get their shit together.

FUCKING BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!

See, d2 gets it.

**Roy Munson** · 03-23-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I know.

Me too.

It was a late night, and the caffeine aint kicked in yet.

Cut me some slack, bro

Slack cut...

**LoungeMachine** · 03-23-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by jhale667
LMAO

Trouble ahead
trouble behind
and you know a notion ain't crossed his mind...

Nice, but I aint splitting royalties with you

**Roy Munson** · 03-23-2006, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Fair enough, but still awfully ambiguous.

Instead, how about this tact?

Hey, Iraqi Government........here's a fucking deadline to stand up and get your shit together.

We're leaving in 6 months, so sit down, shut up, and work this shit out, because we're not going to breast feed your lazy asses for the next 20 years.

Jesus Christ.........learn to fucking do it for yourselves. We did the heavey lifting for you.....now dig in and help yourselves.

A little tough love is on the menu.

It's like the assholes who still live with mom and dad in their 20's

Fuck this "cut n run" bullshit you guys cry about.

By the way, you now owe us 200 BILLION DOLLARS.....

LOL

This idea is great on the surface, and one that I would probably run with, but I think in reality it's a bit more difficult than that. I think where it gets more tricky is the plain old fact that war is unpredictable. Setting a pre-determined exit date is easier said than done.

**Cathedral** · 03-23-2006, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Fair enough, but still awfully ambiguous.

Instead, how about this tact?

Hey, Iraqi Government........here's a fucking deadline to stand up and get your shit together.

We're leaving in 6 months, so sit down, shut up, and work this shit out, because we're not going to breast feed your lazy asses for the next 20 years.

Jesus Christ.........learn to fucking do it for yourselves. We did the heavey lifting for you.....now dig in and help yourselves.

A little tough love is on the menu.

It's like the assholes who still live with mom and dad in their 20's

Fuck this "cut n run" bullshit you guys cry about.

By the way, you now owe us 200 BILLION DOLLARS.....

Now you sound like a Republican....I've been saying this for over a year along with many of my Conservative friends.

**LoungeMachine** · 03-23-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Cathedral
Now you sound like a Republican....I've been saying this for over a year along with many of my Conservative friends.

I'll take that as a compliment....

WTF is wrong with giving them a fucking deadline?

They're all adults.

Do we really need to wet nurse them?

US Soldiers vs. D-List Celebrities Bill Maher, Richard Belzer

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