9/11 testimony from today

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/27/D8GK2D4G0.html

[Phil theStalker]

i'M Da fif5th member aff Van Halen after Gay Hagar.




OPERATION BOJINKA
12 PLANES

[FORD]

I'm not buying this story.

The question is : Did Maussoui say this to fuck with their minds, or have they fucked with his? Shoe-bomber, my ass. That dipshit was an obvious amateur who couldn't even manage to light a fuse.

I seriously doubt the two ever met.

[Warham]

GUILTY!

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
I'm not buying this story.

Which part?

[Warham]

FORD never buys a story, unless it involves an intern and a cigar.

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Hey, I just report....YOU decide

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Which part?

The Richard Reid part.

Moussaui (or how ever you spell it) might have been involved with Al Qaeda to one degree or another, but Reid was a dumbass who couldn't even manage to light his own shoes on fire. He can't be the product of a terrorist cell that originated in the CIA.

That guy was just a dumb wannabe all along.

Now on the other hand, the BCE wants to maintain the illusion of this "worldwide terraist nework", so they would have reason to plant a story that Reid was part of such a (non-existent) group.

Or Moussaui, if operating under his own will with an unwashed brain, might just tell the "infidels" what they want to hear, in order to put an end to the constant questioning. Or given what we know about this Fraudministration, probable torture.

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Bump!

Moussaoui Says He Was to Fly 5th Plane
But Al Qaeda plotter's testimony is at odds with a statement of 9/11 architect read in court.
By Richard A. Serrano, Times Staff Writer
March 28, 2006

ALEXANDRIA, Va. — Taking the stand over his lawyers' protests, Al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui declared Monday that he and Richard Reid, later arrested as the so-called shoe bomber, were slated to hijack a fifth airplane on Sept. 11, 2001, and fly it into the White House.

But Moussaoui's bombastic testimony — seriously doubted by intelligence officials — was immediately contradicted by the words of the suspected Sept. 11 mastermind, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who said in an interrogation read aloud in court that Moussaoui was too "problematic" and unreliable to join the 19 hijackers on their suicide missions.

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Mohammed instead said Moussaoui was being groomed for a second wave of attacks — first disclosed in March 2004 — that included targets in California, such as the tallest building in the state, the former Library Tower in Los Angeles, and bridges in San Francisco and San Mateo.

He also described how the Sept. 11 plot originated in strategy sessions in Malaysia and how Al Qaeda initially planned for half a dozen commercial airplanes to be hijacked over the Pacific Ocean and then crashed into structures in "California and other Western states" in the mid- to late-1990s.

The high drama in the federal courthouse here came as U.S. District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema advised the jury that it probably would begin deliberations as early as Wednesday to decide whether Moussaoui, a 37-year-old Frenchman of Moroccan ancestry, was responsible for the deaths of nearly 3,000 people in the Sept. 11 attacks. If they decide he is, they will then determine whether he dies or spends the rest of his life in prison. Moussaoui took the witness stand over repeated pleas by his court-appointed defense lawyers that his testimony was a reckless gambit and would make it easy for the jury to dispatch him to death row.

If jurors believe that Moussaoui was scheduled for the Sept. 11 mission, it would be easier for them to conclude that he did bear responsibility for the deaths that day. Arrested weeks before the attacks, he presumably would have known enough about the plot to head it off by cooperating with the FBI. Prosecutors argue that would make him eligible for the death penalty.

Indeed, he often testified with a hard-edged bravado about how Americans were his enemy and described his glee upon hearing in a Minnesota jail that the World Trade Center was under attack.

He also told with cold efficiency that he bought short-bladed knives and was preparing to use the weapons to take down a passenger or a flight attendant or anyone else who got in his way.

"You don't have to be trained to cut the throat of somebody," Moussaoui said. "It is not difficult."

But at times his words and logic made him appear what his lawyers claim he is — mentally unstable and almost delusional in his exalted view of himself as a soldier for Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. His defense team hopes that ultimately the jurors will decide they cannot execute a man who is insane.

"I don't like the word proud. But I'm grateful to be a member of Al Qaeda," Moussaoui said at one point.

The account by Moussaoui diverged sharply from his statement when he pleaded guilty in April. That statement was consistent with Mohammed's account that he was to be part of a later wave of attacks, in which the White House was among the targets.

Moussaoui spoke in detail Monday about his duties as an Al Qaeda member in Afghanistan, where he said he met many of the hijackers in his capacity as a security officer at guest houses for Al Qaeda recruits.

Moussaoui said he had only scant details of the overall plan when he was arrested Aug. 16, 2001. "I had knowledge that the two towers would be hit but I didn't have the detail," Moussaoui said.

Asked by Gerald Zerkin, one of his court-appointed attorneys, if he was meant to be part of the Sept. 11 attacks, Moussaoui said: "I was supposed to pilot a plane to hit the White House."

Moussaoui said he was asked in 1999 if he wanted to be a suicide pilot in an attack on the United States, and he declined. But after two dreams, he changed his mind. In one of the dreams, he said, he saw an image of the White House as a target in crosshairs.

Speaking calmly in halting English, Moussaoui said he didn't know the exact date of the planned attack but that he knew it would be soon after he was scheduled to complete his aviation training Aug. 20, 2001. Instead, suspicious flight instructors alerted the FBI and Moussaoui was arrested.

Of his crew members on the supposed fifth plane, "one definitely was Richard Reid. As for the others, it was not definite," he said.

On Dec. 22, 2001, Reid tried to detonate a bomb in his shoe aboard a flight from Paris to Miami with 197 people on board. Passengers subdued him and the plane was diverted to Boston, where it landed safely. He is serving a life term in prison.

The government and Mohammed, whose statement to interrogators was summarized in 58 pages read to the jury, agree that Moussaoui was not the so-called 20th hijacker — the missing man on the four-hijacker plane that went down in a Pennsylvania farm field.

But when Moussaoui pleaded guilty to having a role in the plot, he described himself only obliquely as someone who was to crash a plane into the White House at a date he did not reveal. Then on Monday, facing the jury from the witness box, he filled in those details.

Dressed in his dark green prison jumpsuit and a white cap, often stroking his long black beard and sipping from a Styrofoam cup of water, he refrained from the speeches and tirades that have marked his past courtroom behavior.

He concisely answered questions and often was quite polite, except when he refused to respond to the lead prosecutor who wished him a "good morning."

But the measure of the man — the only Al Qaeda terrorist to stand trial for Sept. 11 in this country — was also borne out by the presence of six large male deputy marshals who stood around Moussaoui as he testified, their eyes focused on him.

He also declined to raise his hand and take the oath before testifying, instead simply telling the judge "yes I can" when she asked if he could tell truth.

He testified that he knew that Mohamed Atta, the hijackers' team leader, was also in the U.S. and that the two towers were to be hit. But he said his role was to be different that morning.

Moussaoui and Reid, supposedly part of that crew, had both attended the Finsbury Park Mosque in London, a hotbed of Muslim extremism. But there has been no evidence that Reid was in the United States in mid-August 2001, when Moussaoui was arrested in Minnesota for overstaying his visa.

Nevertheless, Moussaoui testified that he was instructed both by Bin Laden and Atta to fly a fifth plane and to crash it into the White House. Although he said he had been given no specific date, he believed it was to be the morning of Sept. 11.

He further admitted that he lied to FBI agents when arrested in Minnesota, a key point for the government. Moussaoui said he would not cooperate because "I wanted my mission to go ahead."

"I knew it would happen after August, so I bought a radio and I was listening," he said. "On the radio they said there was a fire in the World Trade Center. Then somebody put the TV on and I saw the World Trade Center in flames.

"I immediately understood."

Moussaoui was cross-examined by lead prosecutor Robert A. Spencer, who asked him about his reaction to the loss of life that day.

"You are Americans, and I consider every American to be my enemy," Moussaoui said.

Spencer reminded him how he once wrote to the judge in a sealed letter that he heard that one of the attendants on United Airlines Flight 93 screamed "I don't want to die" before it crashed in western Pennsylvania.

"Were you happy she died?" Spencer asked.

"I didn't have any feelings," Moussaoui said.

He was ambiguous when asked whether a death sentence would make him an Al Qaeda martyr. Other juries in past terrorism cases have given defendants life rather than death for that very reason.

"I'm not concerned with the death penalty. I don't believe you have or the government or the jury will have anything to say about my death."

He added: "I believe in destiny."

When Moussaoui was finished, the lengthy summary testimony from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was read in court. U.S. intelligence sources said the 58-page summary of the results of his interrogation appeared to be the same material made available to the Sept. 11 Commission, whose report referred frequently to Mohammed's statements.

He was captured in March 2003, and continues to be held at an undisclosed location.

Many human rights monitors believe he may have been tortured to talk, and cite that as a reason he has never been charged with a crime in connection with the Sept. 11 attack despite the fact that in his summary testimony he took full responsibility as the main architect of the plot.

He talked about the so-called Bojinka plot from the mid-1990s in which extremists were going to detonate explosives on 12 planes over the Pacific.

Mohammed said he then decided to have six planes explode over the ocean, and use the remaining six to dive-bomb targets in California and other Western states, all on the same day.

But Mohammed said Bin Laden nixed the plan because it would have been too difficult. So from there they decided to plant hijackers in the United States and attack targets from within.

For the Sept. 11 plot, Bin Laden wanted the targets to be of economic, political and military value, and Mohammed said they accordingly chose the World Trade Center, the U.S. Capitol building and the Pentagon. The plane that passengers forced down in Pennsylvania was to hit the Capitol, he said.

Mohammed said Bin Laden initially wanted the attacks to take place in June 2001, when Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was to visit the White House. When that was not feasible, Bin Laden wanted the attacks on Sept. 12 — 11 months after the U.S. warship Cole was bombed in Yemen.

But Atta, dubbed the plot's "emir," was given wide latitude in selecting a date and assembling the hijacking teams.

Mohammed discounted Moussaoui as belonging to one of the four hijacking crews. He said Moussaoui had caused problems for Al Qaeda, and leaders feared he would stupidly reveal the plot. He noted that Moussaoui often sent e-mails and had long phone calls discussing the plans, endangering security.

Moussaoui, Mohammed said, had a "problematic personality" and "he talked too much."

Mohammed said he also worried that Bin Laden himself might inadvertently say too much. He said the Al Qaeda leader was openly saying in the summer of 2001 that something big was coming, even telling a group of new terrorist recruits that they would be pleased with what was about to happen.

Not only could that have ruined the Sept. 11 plot, but it also could have endangered the second wave that Al Qaeda planned, Mohammed said. These were the attacks on the West Coast, but also included the plan for Moussaoui to hit the White House. Other attacks would include subway attacks and mass poisonings.

For the second wave, Mohammed said, they wanted people like Moussaoui who were not Middle Eastern — Western Europeans and Canadians — because Mohammed expected the U.S. government would assume any follow-up attacks would come from Arab extremists.

But Mohammed said the second wave was called off because Al Qaeda never expected such a concentrated military response by the U.S. after the trade center and Pentagon were attacked.

Nevertheless, he said of the Sept. 11 plot: "In the end the operation was a success."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-moussa28mar28,0,4125730,full.story

[FORD]

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan...... "Interesting fiction"

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How do you account for REID then?

[FORD]

I've always thought Reid was just a dumb psychotic wannabe.

Al Qaeda was (at least initially) a CIA trained organization. I don't think they're going to accept a moron who can't even light his own shoes on fire successfully.

Even witnesses in the courtroom yesterday didn't think Moussaoui was serious in his testimony. So as I said, either he's telling the "infidels" what they want to hear, or they have coerced him into including Reid. Either way the BCE myth of an "International Terraist Syndicate" is perpetuated.

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He's a "dumb wannabe," but yet he can fashion a shoe with semtex soles????

He must he a gellin' like a felon!


Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh!

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A New Name in 9/11 Plot Surfaces
A Jordanian trained 10 'muscle' hijackers, the architect of the attacks tells interrogators.
By Josh Meyer
Times Staff Writer

March 29, 2006

WASHINGTON — Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed has told interrogators that at least 34 individuals were "participants" in the attacks on New York and the Pentagon, including a mysterious Jordanian who supposedly prepared 10 of the hijackers for their grisly task by training them to butcher camels and sheep with Swiss Army knives.

Mohammed's statements were read aloud in court this week during the sentencing trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person charged in the United States as a co-conspirator in the terrorist attacks.

His disclosures, made public more than four years after the attacks, open a window into the inner workings of the Sept. 11 plot, both in terms of who allegedly participated in it and how it was carried out so successfully.

The government refused to allow Mohammed to testify in person. But questions from the prosecution and defense were put to him during interrogations at undisclosed locations overseas. At least some of the material was made available to members of the independent commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks, although the specifics of what the panel was provided were not immediately known.

According to a 58-page summary read in court Monday, Mohammed broke the Sept. 11 participants into six groups, each having a different level of involvement in the plot or prior knowledge of it.

In the top tier were Osama bin Laden, his loyal aide and military commander Mohammed Atef and Mohammed himself, along with his designated liaison to the hijackers, Ramzi Binalshibh, the summary stated.

The only other member of the top tier was Abu Turab al-Urduni — a Jordanian who, according to Mohammed's statement, had "full knowledge" of the plot as trainer of 10 of the "muscle" hijackers; their job was to commandeer the planes, subdue the pilots and keep the passengers at bay.

Abu Turab, as he was referred to in the summary, had years of experience with Al Qaeda and was working at the terrorist network's Al Matar complex in Afghanistan in late 2000 and early 2001 when 10 would-be hijackers were given to him for training, Mohammed's interrogation summary said.

Abu Turab trained the men to hijack a plane, disarm air marshals and put together and use explosives, the summary said. He allegedly showed them how to gain strength through bodybuilding, and taught them basic English words and phrases.

And at a second Al Qaeda camp, Al Faruq, "Abu Turab also had each hijacker butcher a sheep and camel with a Swiss knife to prepare them for using their knives during the hijackings," the summary stated.

In consultation with Mohammed, the summary said, Abu Turab instructed the "muscle" hijackers to focus on seizing the cockpit first "and then worry about seizing control over the rest of the plane."

As part of his successful effort to maintain operational security, the summary continued, Abu Turab trained the hijackers in making truck bombs, blowing up buildings and hijacking trains so they would not know for sure what their assignment would be once they reached the United States.

The disclosures, if true, are significant in that one of the more senior co-conspirators of the Sept. 11 attacks — Abu Turab — has never been identified publicly until now despite years of investigations, public hearings and commission reports.

Mohammed also named two Al Qaeda officials, whose identities were known, as having played previously undisclosed but lesser roles in the attacks.

One is Ammar al-Baluchi, a nephew of Mohammed who rose to become one of Al Qaeda's top operatives before being captured in Pakistan in May 2003.

Mohammed identified Baluchi as a key travel and financial facilitator for the hijackers, along with Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi, whose role as a United Arab Emirates-based paymaster for the attacks has been acknowledged by U.S. officials since he was captured with Mohammed in raids in Pakistan in March 2003.

The other operative whose role Mohammed detailed was Abd Al-Rahim Ghulam Rabbani, also known as Abu Ramah. Mohammed said Abu Ramah helped several of the hijackers go through Pakistan on their way in and out of Afghanistan.

The interrogation summary also alludes to seven lower-level participants who have not been publicly identified, but it did not include their names.

"They knew that they were involved in a martyrdom operation and that it involved traveling to the U.S., but they never learned the real purpose of the operation until after the 9/11 attacks," the summary said.

Several U.S. authorities said in interviews Tuesday that they viewed at least some of Mohammed's claims with skepticism because he had been proved a calculated expert at providing his interrogators with disinformation to send his pursuers down blind alleys and protect ongoing Al Qaeda plots.

But a U.S. intelligence official familiar with the continuing investigation into Sept. 11 confirmed the basic outlines of Mohammed's claims, particularly about Abu Turab. He said the Jordanian was killed by U.S. forces in Afghanistan in late 2001, around the time Atef was killed by a U.S. airstrike.

That official and others, however, said the true role that Abu Turab, Baluchi and others played in the attacks might never be fully known to U.S. authorities, unless key figures such as Bin Laden and his second in command, Ayman Zawahiri, were captured and could corroborate or deny Mohammed's claims.

"A whole lot of guys boiled to the surface after 9/11" and their roles are still being investigated, said one former federal law enforcement official who has spent years tracking Al Qaeda's leaders.

The current and former U.S. officials interviewed Tuesday all spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss such matters.