Living with illegals?

[Mr Grimsdale]

flappo found this and for once it's relevant

http://www.riotvideo.com/videodir/955161225583351679.wmv

[Nickdfresh]

Here's the cuntroversial article originally posted by Big Bad Brian:

Mexican illegals vs. American voters
By Tony Blankley
March 29, 2006


It is lucky America has more than two centuries of mostly calm experience with self-government. We are going to need to fall back on that invaluable patrimony if the immigration debate continues as it has started this season. The Senate is attempting to legislate into the teeth of the will of the American public. The Senate Judiciary Committeemen — and probably a majority of the Senate — are convinced that they know that the American people don't know what is best for them.

National polling data could not be more emphatic — and has been so for decades. Gallup Poll (March 27) finds 80 percent of the public wants the federal government to get tougher on illegal immigration. A Quinnipiac University Poll (March 3) finds 62 percent oppose making it easier for illegals to become citizens (72 percent in that poll don't even want illegals to be permitted to have driver's licenses). Time Magazine's recent poll (Jan. 24-26) found 75 percent favor "major penalties" on employers of illegals, 70 percent believe illegals increase the likelihood of terrorism and 57 percent would use military force at the Mexican-American border.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll (March 10-13) found 59 percent opposing a guest-worker proposal, and 71 percent would more likely vote for a congressional candidate who would tighten immigration controls.

An IQ Research poll (March 10) found 92 percent saying that securing the U.S. border should be a top priority of the White House and Congress.

Yet, according to a National Journal survey of Congress, 73 percent of Republican and 77 percent of Democratic congressmen and senators say they would support guest-worker legislation.

I commend to all those presumptuous senators and congressmen the sardonic and wise words of Edmund Burke in his 1792 letter to Sir Hercules Langrishe: "No man will assert seriously, that when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to complain of." The senators should remember that they are American senators, not Roman proconsuls. Nor is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee some latter-day Praetor Maximus.

But if they would be dictators, it would be nice if they could at least be wise (until such time as the people can electorally forcefully project with a violent pedal thrust their regrettable backsides out of town). It was gut-wrenching (which in my case is a substantial event) to watch the senators prattle on in their idle ignorance concerning the manifold economic benefits that will accrue to the body politic if we can just cram a few million more uneducated illegals into the country. ( I guess ignorance loves company.) Beyond the Senate last week, in a remarkable example of intellectual integrity (in the face of the editorial positions of their newspapers) the chief economic columnists for the New York Times and The Washington Post — Paul Krugman and Robert Samuelson, respectively — laid out the sad facts regarding the economics of the matter. Senators, congressmen and Mr. President, please take note.

Regarding the Senate's and the president's guest-worker proposals, The Post's Robert Samuelson writes: "Gosh, they're all bad ideas ... We'd be importing poverty. This isn't because these immigrants aren't hardworking, many are. Nor is it because they don't assimilate, many do. But they generally don't go home, assimilation is slow and the ranks of the poor are constantly replenished ... [It] is a conscious policy of creating poverty in the United States while relieving it in Mexico ... The most lunatic notion is that admitting more poor Latino workers would ease the labor market strains of retiring baby boomers ? Far from softening the social problems of an aging society, more poor immigrants might aggravate them by pitting older retirees against younger Hispanics for limited government benefits ... [Moreover], [i]t's a myth that the U.S. economy 'needs' more poor immigrants.

"The illegal immigrants already here represent only about 4.9 percent of the labor force." (For all Mr. Samuelson's supporting statistics, see his Washington Post column of March 22, from which this is taken.) Likewise, a few days later, the very liberal and often partisan Paul Krugman of the New York Times courageously wrote : "Unfortunately, low-skill immigrants don't pay enough taxes to cover the cost of the [government] benefits they receive ? As the Swiss writer Max Frisch wrote about his own country's experience with immigration, 'We wanted a labor force, but human beings came.' " Mr. Krugman also observed — citing a leading Harvard study — "that U.S. high school dropouts would earn as much as 8 percent more if it weren't for Mexican immigration. That's why it's intellectually dishonest to say, as President Bush does, that immigrants 'do jobs that Americans will not do.' The willingness of Americans to do a job depends on how much that job pays — and the reason some jobs pay too little to attract native-born Americans is competition from poorly paid immigrants." Thusly do the two leading economic writers for the nation's two leading liberal newspapers summarily debunk the economic underpinning of the president's and the Senate's immigration proposals.

Under such circumstances, advocates of guest-worker/amnesty bills will find it frustratingly hard to defend their arrogant plans by their preferred tactic of slandering those who disagree with them as racist, nativist and xenophobic.

When the slandered ones include not only The Washington Post and the New York Times, but about 70 percent of the public, it is not only bad manners, but bad politics.

The public demand to protect our borders will triumph sooner or later. And, the more brazen the opposing politicians, the sooner will come the triumph.

So legislate on, you proud and foolish senators — and hasten your political demise.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060328-102545-2371r.htm

[jcook11]

What cracks me up is are that the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DON'T LIKE THE WORD ILLEGAL! If someone was employing them and didn't give them their paycheck I'm sure you would here them say that that is ILLEGAL.

How about this I think I am entitled to a new porchse and I go and take it's not ILLEGAL because in my mind i'm entitled to it

[FORD]

Originally posted by jcook11
What cracks me up is are that the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DON'T LIKE THE WORD ILLEGAL! If someone was employing them and didn't give them their paycheck I'm sure you would here them say that that is ILLEGAL.

How about this I think I am entitled to a new porchse and I go and take it's not ILLEGAL because in my mind i'm entitled to it

Ok, but I thought you were trying to stay out of jail?

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Top notch article by Tony Blankley. For once, someone in the media has common sense.

[FORD]

Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
Top notch article by Tony Blankley. For once, someone in the media has common sense.

So your ideas of "common sense" are skinheads guarding the borders, and Moonies blabbing horseshit?

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
Top notch article by Tony Blankley. For once, someone in the media has common sense.

Shhhhh....

Don't tell hypocrite bitches 1 & 2 I reposted it, and intended to repost the rest of that thread here....

(you'd take away their entire argument)

[sisca]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
I prefer the House bill on Immigration Reform, that would immediately cause all Illegal Aliens to be classified as Felons, and would require them to be arrested and deported.

The United States gets along just fine without their asses.

All these pussies keep whining about how it might be detrimental to our economy if we deported them.

They have no factual evidence to back up that claim.

Not ALL Mexicans in this country are here illegally.

The only business and economic leaders who are crying about this are the ones who stand to lose money because they can no longer have their illegal laborers.

Fuck those cocksuckers.

They are breaking the law by hiring them, so they have to suffer the fucking consequences.

well done, hardrock! couldnt have said it better myself.

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Ford , I in no way support Skinheads or their agenda. I do support what the Minute Men are doing. If what you say is true, oh well. Their will always be a bad apple in the tree. Do you have more proof, other than this picture?? That photo could have been taken at your last birthday party. For the most part the Minute Men are fed up with the elites who are more concerned with votes and big business than the welfare of legal American citizens. Again they are not vigilantes like The President, the far left media and certain other elite's make them out to be. The Minute Men do not engage illegal aliens crossing the border. They do reconnaissance and point out the location of illegals crossing the borders and report it to the border patrol officers. I don't see a problem with that.

[Nickdfresh]

Maybe when shit op-ed pieces actually offer a real solution to immigration, then I'll tout this stuff as useful. But most of what is posted here is knee-jerk populist bullshit. There is no way that you can tell me that the sudden disappearance of several hundred thousand workers is not going to adversely affect the US economy...

And just proclaiming them felons is supposed to do what? Oh yeah, and by proclaiming them felons means they must go to prison. US prisons. You have any idea what that's going to cost??? You're just driving it further underground...

Again, I ask "who is hiring them?" It's sort of like illegal drugs, everybody supposedly hates nose-candy, yet this nation snorts coke in record piles... There obviously a driving motivation for them to come here that is not being acknowledged. There is also a powerful network of Hispanic American citizens that IS influential. However, the sovereignty of this nation is in danger...

The things that gaul me the most is the notion that illegals are ONLY taking jobs that Americans don't what. This is clearly not totally true, although there are agricultural jobs no one whats, there are many construction and other and semi/skilled trades that illegals are inhabiting, and it's becoming more frequent.. And, as I've posted in the past, there are Mexican drug cartels that have infiltrated their Army/local polcia and several instances of Mexican Soldiers armed with assault rifles and driving official Humvees across our border to retrieve drugs while our outgunned police were forced/intimidated into simply watching! That in my mind is the shit that has to stop most of all. And workers do need to be categorized as American businesses are pressed to not hire illegals and drive down wages for Americans....

[Nickdfresh]

"They took our jobs!"

UhuhuhuhuhUHHUhhUhUHUhH!

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Well said Nick, spoken like a true Independent!!!!

[Nickdfresh]

**Nick bows**

Thank you...