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  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    6th or 7th General calls for Rummy's Head on a Platter

    Former US general calls for Rumsfeld to go

    James Sturcke
    Thursday April 13, 2006


    A fourth former US army general in less than a month today called on the US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, to resign over his handling of the war in Iraq.
    Retired Major General John Batiste - who commanded the US 1st Infantry Division in Iraq from 2004 until last year - criticised Mr Rumsfeld's authoritarian style and called for a "fresh start" at the top of the Pentagon.

    "We need leadership up there that respects the military as they expect the military to respect them. And that leadership needs to understand teamwork," Maj Gen Batiste said.

    He told CNN he believed the Bush administration's handling of the war had violated fundamental military principles such as unity of command and unity of effort.

    He said negative feelings among US generals he served with were widespread, and there was almost universal belief that Mr Rumsfeld did not treat military leaders and their opinions with respect.

    The Washington Post reported that the retired soldier had been offered a promotion to three-star rank to return to Iraq, and would have become the second most senior US officer in the country.

    He declined because he no longer wanted to work under Mr Rumsfeld.

    His comments followed similar attacks by three other retired generals who either served in Iraq or the Middle East.

    Last month, Paul Eaton, a former major general who was in charge of training Iraqi forces until 2004, said Mr Rumsfeld was "not competent to lead our armed forces".

    He said the US defence secretary had shown himself "incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically", and was "far more than anyone else responsible for what has happened to our important mission in Iraq".

    Earlier this month, Anthony Zinni, the commander in chief of the US Central Command and in charge of all American troops in the Middle East from 1997 to 2000, joined the calls for changes at the Pentagon.

    Mr Zinni said Mr Rumsfeld should resign for a series of disastrous strategic and political mistakes.

    This week, Greg Newbold, a retired lieutenant general who was director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 2000 to 2002, criticised "missteps and misjudgments" by the White House and the Pentagon.

    "What we are living with now is the consequences of successive policy failures," he wrote in Time magazine.

    He said that included the distortion of intelligence in the build-up to war, micromanagement that prevented US forces having sufficient resources to do the job and the alienation of allies.

    "That means replacing Rumsfeld and many others unwilling to fundamentally change their approach," he wrote.

    The fallout between parts of the military and Mr Rumsfeld began after the treatment of retired Army General Eric Shinseki, who told a congressional hearing that several hundred thousand US troops would be needed bring peace to Iraq.

    He was later criticised by the former deputy defence secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and was sidelined.

    On Tuesday, General Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said generals had the chance to voice their concerns during the planning of the Iraq invasion.

    "We had then and have now every opportunity to speak our minds, and if we do not, shame on us," he said at a Pentagon briefing.




    Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?
  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    #2
    Would BigWarVibe or EAT MY MUNSON care to spin this?
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    • Steve Savicki
      • Jan 2004
      • 3937

      #3
      Guess Rummy was never a team player in his employed life.
      sigpic

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      • LoungeMachine
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 32576

        #4
        Will somebody call HOOTERS and have Brian, Hammy, or D2 paged...........

        I'd like a Neo-Con spin, er I mean comment on this....
        Originally posted by Kristy
        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
        Originally posted by cadaverdog
        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 59571

          #5
          Originally posted by LoungeMachine
          Will somebody call HOOTERS and have Brian, Hammy, or D2 paged...........

          I'd like a Neo-Con spin, er I mean comment on this....
          I'll give it a shot.......

          **mixes NyQuil with Everclear, and puts brain in "red state" mode**

          Them goddam sonsofliberalbitch generals are disobeyin the erect orders of theiyr commander in chimp and they outta be hung fer treason.

          Goddam it don't you commie bastards rellyaize that our Great White Christian Messiah President is tryin to stop Islamocommiehomofascism????????
          Eat Us And Smile

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          • LoungeMachine
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            • Jul 2004
            • 32576

            #6
            The Swiftboat Generals for Truth paid for this ad.
            Originally posted by Kristy
            Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
            Originally posted by cadaverdog
            I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49563

              #7
              He should be shot for dereliction of duty; Rummy that is...

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              • knuckleboner
                Crazy Ass Mofo
                • Jan 2004
                • 2927

                #8
                Originally posted by LoungeMachine
                Would BigWarVibe or EAT MY MUNSON care to spin this?
                BBB does not support rumsfield, i believe...

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                • diamondD
                  Veteran
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 1962

                  #9
                  Neither have I and I've stated it on here. Good try at the button pushing tho. My give-a-damn is running low.
                  Last edited by diamondD; 04-14-2006, 11:05 AM.
                  Meet us in the future, not the pasture

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                  • LoungeMachine
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 32576

                    #10
                    Originally posted by diamondD
                    Neither have I and I've stated it on here. Good try at the button pushing tho. My give-a-damn is running low.
                    I guess I wasn't too clear.....

                    I wasn't asking for a Neo-Con referendum on the sacking of Herr Rumsfeld......


                    For MONTHS the Cons in here have complained about how it's ONLY us American Troop hating LIBS and the "media" painting a dark picture of Iraq........AND THAT THOSE FIGHTING OVER THERE THINK DIFFERENTLY

                    Well, here you have 4 GENERALS who agree with OUR assessment.....

                    So, NOW do you guys think maybe this administration has been spinning their fuck ups into "it's the media's fault"

                    Or are these Generals just left wing pawns
                    Originally posted by Kristy
                    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                    Originally posted by cadaverdog
                    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                    • FORD
                      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                      • Jan 2004
                      • 59571

                      #11
                      Actually, both Mike Malloy last night, and Jerry Springer this morning were saying it was now SIX generals calling for Rummy's resignation, not 4. I'll see if I can get the complete list.
                      Eat Us And Smile

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                      • LoungeMachine
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 32576

                        #12
                        But the thing is, both Rummy and Chimpy are so fucking stubborn, it'll only make em dig in their evil heels more....

                        Jesus could appear tomorrow calling for Rummy to resign and Scottie the Duck would spin it in their favor
                        Originally posted by Kristy
                        Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                        Originally posted by cadaverdog
                        I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                        • FORD
                          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                          • Jan 2004
                          • 59571

                          #13
                          More US generals turn on Rumsfeld

                          Staff and agencies
                          Friday April 14, 2006

                          Guardian Unlimited

                          Two more retired US generals called overnight on Donald Rumsfeld to resign as US defence secretary, adding to a deepening rift within the Pentagon.

                          Six generals - two of whom commanded troops in Iraq - have now called on Mr Rumsfeld to stand down over his leadership of the war.

                          Retired Major General Charles Swannack, who led the 82nd Airborne Division in Iraq, said Mr Rumsfeld, 73, had "micromanaged the generals who are leading our forces".

                          He told CNN: "I really believe that we need a new secretary of defence because Secretary Rumsfeld carries way too much baggage with him."

                          Retired Major General John Riggs told National Public Radio that Mr Rumsfeld had helped create an atmosphere of "arrogance" among the Pentagon's civilian leadership. "They only need the military advice when it satisfies their agenda. I think that's a mistake, and that's why I think he should resign," he said.

                          Earlier this week retired Major General John Batiste, who led the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq from 2004 until last year, said Mr Rumsfeld's authoritarian leadership style had made life more difficult for professional soldiers.

                          "We need leadership up there that respects the military as they expect the military to respect them. And the leadership needs to understand teamwork," he told CNN on Wednesday.

                          His comments were especially startling because he served as an aide to Paul Wolfowitz, the former deputy defence secretary and an architect of the Iraq war.

                          The other retired officers are Major General Paul Eaton, who trained Iraqi troops up to 2004, Lieutenant General Gregory Newbold and retired Marine general Anthony Zinni, a former head of US Central Command and in charge of all American troops in the Middle East from 1997 to 2000.

                          Of the six, only Gen Zinni is a longstanding critic of the war. Lt Gen Newbold, a director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 2000 to 2002, wrote in Time magazine this week that "we are living with [...] the consequences of successive policy failures". The fallout between parts of the US military and Mr Rumsfeld began in early 2003 in the run-up to the Iraq war, when General Eric Shinseki, who at the time was the army chief of staff, was sidelined after he told a congressional hearing that several hundred thousand US troops would be needed bring peace to Iraq - rather than the smaller force Mr Rumsfeld planned to send. Mr Rumsfeld has offered to resign at least twice but George Bush has always turned him down. The White House was last night firm in its support for the defence secretary. White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters "the president believes Secretary Rumsfeld is doing a very fine job during a challenging period".

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                          • Blackflag
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 3406

                            #14
                            Are you really "Kip" Winger? I thought somebody was saying that sarcastically, but is that really true?

                            Does anybody else find it a little ironic that Kip Winger is in the Roth Army, when he represents all the hair-band, fluff-ball, no talent, lame-ass, rip-off 80's shit music that DLR hates?

                            Maybe he's here as a double agent for Dee Snyder? Just reporting info and waiting for his chance to join with Jon Bon Jovi and sabotage us?

                            Dude, if that's true...I apologize for busting your balls. I feel like shit now. Like I was picking on a retard.

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                            • jhale667
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 20929

                              #15
                              Neo-con response: "Uh, uhh.....uh....you libs....er, ummm..." :D
                              Originally posted by conmee
                              If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                              That is all.

                              Icon.
                              Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                              I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                              Originally posted by Isaac R.
                              Then it's really true??

                              The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                              OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                              Originally posted by eddie78
                              I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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