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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    Rebutting Darwinists

    Rebutting Darwinists

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Posted: April 15, 2006
    1:00 a.m. Eastern


    © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


    I suggested here last week that the established authorities of every age act consistently. They become vigilantly militant against non-conforming dissidents who challenge their assumptions.

    Thus when the dissident Galileo challenged the assumptions of the 17th century papacy, it shut him up. Now when the advocates of "intelligent design" challenge the scientific establishment's assumptions about "natural selection," it moves aggressively to shut them up. So the I.D. people have this in common with Galileo.

    I received a dozen letters on this, three in mild agreement, the rest in scorn and outrage. This calls for a response.

    Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists." Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.


    I could have gone further. A survey last year by Rice University, financed by the Templeton Foundation, found that about two-thirds of scientists believed in God. A poll published by Gallup in 1997 asked: Do you believe that "man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation?" – essentially the I.D. position. Just under 40 percent of scientists said yes. So perhaps my 10 percent was far too low.

    Two readers called my attention to a discovery last week on an Arctic island of something which may be the fossil remains of the mysteriously missing "transitional species." Or then maybe it isn't transitional. Maybe it's a hitherto undetected species on its own.

    But the very exuberance with which such a discovery is announced argues the I.D. case. If Darwin was right, and the change from one species to another through natural selection occurred constantly in millions of instances over millions of years, then the fossil record should be teaming with transitional species. It isn't. That's why even one possibility, after many years of searching, becomes front-page news.

    Another letter complains that I.D. cannot be advanced as even a theory unless evidence of the nature of this "Divine" element is presented. But the evidence is in nature itself. The single cell shows such extraordinary complexity that to suggest it came about by sheer accident taxes credulity. If you see a footprint in the sand, that surely evidences human activity. The demand – "Yes, but whose footprint is it?"– does not disqualify the contention that somebody was there. "Nope," says the establishment, "not until you can tell us who it was will we let you raise this question in schools."

    Another reader argues that Galileo stood for freedom of inquiry, whereas I.D. advocates want to suppress inquiry. This writer apparently did not notice what caused me to write the column. It was the rejection by a government agency for a $40,000 grant to a McGill University anti-I.D. lobby to suppress the presentation and discussion of I.D. theory in the Canadian schools. Suppressing discussion is an odd way of encouraging "freedom of inquiry." Anyway, the I.D. movement doesn't want to suppress evolution. It merely wants it presented as a theory, alongside the I.D. theory.

    Why, asked another reader, did I not identify the gutsy woman who stated the reason for the rejection, bringing upon herself the scorn of scientific authority. That's fair. Her name is Janet Halliwell, a chemist and executive vice president of the Social Science and Humanities Research Council. She said that evolution is a theory, not a fact, and the McGill application offered no evidence to support it.

    The McGill applicant was furious. Evolution, he said, needs no evidence. It's fact. Apparently Harvard University doesn't quite agree with him. The Boston Globe reports that Harvard has begun an expensive project to discover how life emerged from the chemical soup of early earth. In the 150 years since Darwin, says the Globe, "scientists cannot explain how the process began."

    The most sensible letter came from a research scientist. "I think that the current paradigm of evolution by natural selection acting on random variation will change," he writes. "I think that evidence will accumulate to suggest that much of the genetic variation leading to the evolution of life on earth was not random, but was generated by biochemical processes that exhibit intelligent behavior."

    Then he urges me not to disclose his identity. Saying this publicly would threaten his getting tenure, he fears. Galileo would understand.

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  • Hardrock69
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Feb 2005
    • 21898

    #2
    There can be no "Rebutting" Darwinists except by fools.

    Both arguments (Creationism & Darwinism) are not exclusive of the other.

    This thread is a non-issue, but the author of the original article is attempting to create an issue out of it, and BigBadBrucie is lamely attempting to emulate him.

    The scientific aspect of evolution is simply the factual and biological process of how we evolved. Why we evolved, or the possibility of an intelligent design causing creation is irrelevant.

    Religion & Philosophy are concerned with why we got here, but only an idiot would claim that evolution is not a real process.

    There are too many religious goobers who believe in the fairy tale that Adam was the very first human on Earth, as if you date Adam using the generations listed in the Bible, you still come out at somewhere around 4000 B.C.

    Also, note also that in Hebrew legend, Adam had an earlier wife named Lilith, who argued with Adam, disappeared, and was replaced by Eve... but I digress

    Here is just one of many estimates of the Biblical timeline:



    Note how they claim the Universe was created in 4,000 B.C. and the Great Flood was at 2343-2344 B.C. LOL.

    First century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (pictured at left) used manuscripts available during his time to calculate that Noah's Flood occurred 1556 years after the creation of Adam. By adding the ages of the patriarchs listed in the Bible, other scholars have come up with roughly similar dates.

    Irish archbishop James Ussher calculated that the creation of the world took place in 4004 BC. If 1556 is deducted from 4004 then the worldwide flood of Noah's time was around 2448 BC (if both chronologies are correct; but please note that there is some disagreement even among conservative Bible believers on these dates).

    Josephus, Ussher, and other scholars disagree slightly on some of their dates. But most agree that a straightforward reading of the Bible indicates the Deluge must have taken place in the third millennium before the birth of Jesus Christ — possibly between 2500 BC and 2300 BC.

    However most scientists agree that the Great Flood & The Great Deluge (2 distinctly seperate events) occurred between 6000 & 13,000 B.C.

    Anyone that believes that the Earth was created in 4,000 B.C. still believes in the Easter Bunny & Santa Clause.


    Here is a factual timeline of world events, determined by actual archaological discoveries:




    Upright humanoids.
    3,600,000 BC
    Laetoli Footprints.

    3,200,000 BC


    Human fossil "Lucy", Ethiopia.

    2,600,000 BC


    Tool fragments, Olduvi Gorge, Serengeti.

    1,500,000 BC


    Homo Erectus.

    1,420,000 BC


    Fireside charred bones.

    1,000,000 BC


    Homo Sapiens, Danakil skull.
    780,000 BC
    Earth's polarity reversed.
    700,000 BC
    Homo Archanthropus living in 'Petralona' Cave, Greece.

    500,000 BC


    Homo Heidleburgensis - Altameras, Europe.

    500,000 BC


    Boxgrove Man, Chichester, England.

    400,000 BC


    Wooden spears at Schoningen, Germany.

    300,000 BC


    Speech via hypoglossal canal.

    300,000 BC


    Notched bones in Bilzingsleben, Germany.

    250,000 BC


    Flint hand axe, with fossil decoration.

    230,000 BC


    Pontnewydd Cave occupied, Denbighshire, Wales.

    125,000 BC


    Obsidian tools in Eritrea.

    125,000 BC


    Water levels similar to 20th Century levels.

    120,000 BC


    Burials.

    100,000 BC


    10,000 people on the the earth?

    80,000 BC


    Sea levels drop.

    74,000 BC


    Malaysian Stone Tools Factory.

    74,000 BC


    Toba, Volcanic Eruption.

    40,000 BC


    Mammoth skin tents, Moldova, Russia.
    35,000 BC


    Inhabitants of Arnhem Land, northern Australia, using red ochre.

    33,000 BC


    Castelmerle Beads factory, division of labour,
    working with mammoth ivory and soapstone (Dordogne).
    30,500 BC
    Star chart on mammoth ivory.
    30,000 BC
    The Mask of La Roche-Cotard.
    30,000 BC
    The Venus of Willendorf coated in red ochre.

    28,000 BC


    Cave Painting (Lascaux, France).

    28,000 BC


    Vindija cave, Croatia.

    28,000 BC


    Carved Sculpture, Lowenmensch, Germany.

    28,000 BC


    Neanderthal extinct?

    24,500 BC


    Lapedo child buried on Iberian Peninsular (red ochre).

    24,000 BC


    Red Lady of Paviland buried in Wales, UK (red ochre).

    24,000 BC


    Dolni Vestonice, Stone Venus figurines,
    weaving, basket work, Mammoth Ivory.

    23,000 BC


    Pechmel cave Art.
    20,000 BC Franchthi Cave (Greece) inhabited
    20,000 BC
    Time markings on bone.

    18,000 BC


    Water levels rising.

    18,000 BC


    Mas D'Azil (French Pyrenees Cave).
    13,000 BC


    Berber civilization in Moroccan Western Sahara.

    11,500 BC


    South American Skull.

    10,500 BC


    Pesse canoe, Holland.

    10,000 BC


    Sheep in central Asia.
    10,000 BC Sahara Desert fertile.

    9,000 BC


    Ice Age ends.
    9,000 BC
    Neolithic settlement at Göbekli Tepe, Anatolia.

    9,000 BC


    Agriculture in Palestine.

    8,950 BC


    Inca -9 sun.

    8,150 BC


    Inca -8 sun.

    8,000 BC


    'Freshwater' Black Sea, 100 mtrs below '20th Century AD' levels.
    8,000 BC
    Wall built at Jericho.

    8,000 BC


    Asikli Hoyuk, Turkey, multi-level dwellings, Obsidian.

    8,000 BC


    Wheat, pigs, goats and cattle.

    8,000 BC


    Accounts, Tokens (clay balls).

    8,000 BC


    Chinese Pottery.

    7,350 BC


    Inca -7 sun.
    7,300 BC
    Jericho abandoned.

    7,300 BC


    Kennewick Man, Pacific North West America.

    7,000 BC


    Mummies buried near Arica, northern Chile.

    7,000 BC


    Catal Hoyuk room paintings, Turkey.

    6,550 BC


    Inca -6 sun.

    6,500 BC


    Biblical 'Adam' born?

    6,500 BC


    Copper in use in Eastern Anatolia.
    6,500 BC
    English Channel formed.

    6,000 BC


    Australian 150 Mtr. floods (Rainbow Snake).

    5,750 BC


    Inca -5 sun.

    5,700 BC


    Enoch travels abroad?

    5,600 BC


    Freshwater in Black Sea replaced by Saltwater flood (Noah?).

    5,000 BC


    Bone flutes in Chinese ritual burials.

    5,000 BC


    Mynydd Rhiw Axe Factory, Aberdaron, Wales.

    4,950 BC


    Inca -4 sun.

    4,713 BC


    Julian Calendar begins, Noon 1 January.

    4,500 BC


    Start of Neolithic Period.

    4,150 BC


    Inca -3 sun.

    4,004 BC


    Archbishop Ussher date for creation of universe 'Anno Mundi'.

    4,000 BC


    Revised Masonic calendar for date of creation 'Anno Lucis'.

    4,000 BC


    Chinese using silk.
    4,000 BC
    Walled City of Hamoukar inhabited.

    4,000 BC


    Ur, Mesopotamia, founded.

    4,000 BC


    Ötzi (Oetzi) Tyrolean 'Ice Man' dies (Frozen Mummy with Copper Axe).

    3,800 BC


    Civilization in Malta.

    3,761 BC


    Jewish date for world Creation, AM, anno mundi, 7th Oct.
    3,500 BC Mummification in use in Saharan Libya, Uan Muhuggiag.

    3,500 BC


    Wheel shown on pictogram, Samaria.

    3,500 BC


    Epic of Gilgamesh, Sumeria.
    3,500 BC
    Neolithic monuments at Thornborough (Orion's Belt).

    3,350 BC


    Inca -2 sun.
    3,300 BC Export of Obsidian from the volcanic island of Milos

    3,200 BC


    Sumerian two wheeled cart.

    3,200 BC


    Karnak, Thebes (Luxor).

    3,200 BC


    Newgrange, Ireland.

    3,114 BC


    Start of Mayan Calendar, August 11.

    3,050 BC


    Canaanite Byblos in Phoenicia (Lebanon/Cannaa)(Tribe of Adam's Son, Cain)
    using pottery, copper, bronze, glass and tin alloy.

    3,000 BC


    Minoan Crete trading with Egypt.

    3,000 BC


    Sumerian base-60 mathematical formula.

    3,000 BC


    Sumer and Egypt using arched harp.

    2,950 BC


    Stonehenge Ditch dug.

    2,925 BC


    Menes, first king of the 1st Egyptian Dynasty, Memphis.

    2,900 BC


    Four Wheeled cart pottery (Szigetszentmarton, Hungary).

    2,850 BC


    Writing on Papyrus.

    2,800 BC


    Sepulchral Iconography at step pyramid burial of King Djoser, 3rd Dynasty.

    2,700 BC


    Maes Howe, Orkneys, Scotland.

    2,613 BC


    Phoenicians trading with 3rd Dynasty Egypt.
    2,600 BC
    Water conduits in use under Troy.

    2,589 BC


    Snefru, first King of the Egyptian 4th Dynasty, dies.

    2,550 BC


    Inca -1 sun.

    2,576 BC


    Khufu unites Egypt.

    2,570 BC


    Great Pyramid of Cheops.

    2,520 BC
    Beaker people inhabit 'Fortress' near Lisbon.

    2,500 BC


    Egyptian Book of the Dead.

    2,500 BC


    Pyramids (Orion's Belt).
    2,400 BC
    Big Stones at Stonehenge erected (Copper weapons).
    2,300 BC
    Amesbury Archer buried.

    2,300 BC


    Mesopotamian maps.

    2,200 BC


    Worldwide climate change, leading to drought.

    2,100 BC


    Ziggurat at Ur built.

    2,000 BC


    Xinjiang, northwest China, Caucasian mummies.

    2,000 BC


    Greeks, no arch.

    2,000 BC


    Bronze Age Civilization disappears on Malta.

    2,000 BC


    Akkadian language replaces Sumerian but Sumerian writing remains in use,
    for Sacred Literature.

    1,953 BC


    Beginning of the Chinese calendar, March 5.

    1,780 BC


    Babylonian texts controlling alcohol, Hammurabi.

    1,750 BC


    Inca 1st sun.

    1,700 BC


    Earthquake devastates Greece.

    1,700 BC


    Eruption of the 'Vesuvius' volcano destroys Avellino, in Italy.

    1,628 BC


    Santorini volcano (Thera, Greece) destroys Minoan Crete (Atlantis?).
    1,595 BC Babylon is sacked by Hittites.

    1,595 BC


    Rise of Mycenaean Greeks.

    1,539 BC


    Ahmose, 18th Dynasty, The New Kingdom.
    1,500 BC
    The Rig Veda in use in India.

    1,500 BC


    Aryans invade India, four-part caste system introduced.

    1,458 BC


    Thutmose III, King of Egypt, takes Megiddo, passing easily through Cannae.
    1,410 BC
    Joseph interprets dream for Thutmose IV.

    *1,390 BC


    Amenhotep III, King of Egypt.

    *1,353 BC


    Amenophis IV, Egyptian King, becomes Akhnaton (Moses/Oedipus?).

    *1,340 BC


    Akhnaton founds new capital, AkhtAton (the City of Horizon), Tel-El-Amarna,
    *1,323 BC Tutankhamun died,


    *David M. Rohl theory puts these dates nearer millennium

    1,300 BC


    Treasury of Atreus, Tomb of Agamemon, Beehive Tomb, no Arch.

    1,290 BC


    Seti 1st, Egyptian Pharaoh, died.
    1,213 BC Ramesses II died.

    1,200 BC


    Greek Dark Ages begin.

    1,200 BC


    I Ching divination in use in China.
    1,175 BC Philistines arrived in Canaan
    1,110 BC Phoenicians establish a colony at Gades (modern-day Cadiz, Spain)

    1,079 BC


    Egyptian Year of the Hyena - tough times.
    1,078 BC Moses leads 'One God' Tribes out of Egypt?

    1,059 BC


    Cataclysmic event leading to 18 years of distress in Europe.

    1,000 BC


    Egyptians using Blue Lotus, Opium, Cocaine, Cannabis, Nicotine and Silk.

    980 BC


    Saul became King of Hebrews, Tribe of Benjamin.

    970 BC


    Biblical David becomes King of Judah (Hebron Valley), while Ishbaal (Saul's Son) ruled as 'King' over the Hebrews’ northern kingdom, Israel?

    970 BC


    Hiram becomes Phoenician King (Tyre).

    960 BC


    Biblical David becomes King of Judah/Israel and moves to Jerusalem,
    then abdicates yet maintains control?

    959 BC


    Biblical Solomon becomes King of Judah/Israel?

    958 BC


    Hiram begins building Biblical Temple, at Jerusalem, for Solomon.

    950 BC


    Inca 2nd sun.

    940 BC


    Queen of Sheba (Yemen) gives birth to King Solomon's child?

    936 BC


    Hiram, King of Tyre, dies.

    925 BC


    Sacking of Jerusalem by Shishak (Ramesses II?).
    922 BC Solomon dies?
    918 BC Jeroboam, King of 10 Tribes (Israel), Rehoboam, King of 2 (Judah\Benjamin).

    900 BC


    Homer writes Iliad and Odyssey.
    880 BC Samaria becomes the new Capital of Israel.
    874 BC Elijah executes 450 prophets of Baal.

    868 BC


    Assyria extracts tribute from Judah and Phoenician cities.

    842 BC


    King Ahaziah, of Judah, dies at Megiddo.
    814 BC Carthage founded by Phoenician settlers.

    776 BC


    Shoshenk 1st, Pharaoh of Egypt.

    776 BC


    1st Olympic Games.
    747 BC
    Nabonassar becomes King of Assyria (AN - Anno Nabonassari - Ptolomy).

    745 BC


    Assyria creates standing army.
    732 BC
    Israel overrun by Assyrians, Refugees flee to Judah.
    701 BC
    Assyrian army, under the ruler Sennacherib, lays siege to Jerusalem.
    700 BC
    King Hezekiah builds water conduits under Jerusalem, Isaiah.
    700 BC
    Hindu philosophy evolving.

    700 BC


    British Iron Age.

    664 BC


    Sacking of Thebes (Valley of Kings) by the Assyrians.

    662 BC


    'Julian Calendar' date for founding of Rome.
    657 BC Kypselos controls Corinth

    640 BC


    Spartans subdue Messenians.

    623 BC


    Brahman Buddha Gotama (Siddhatta) born.
    621 BC
    King Josiah of Judah purges the Temple in Jerusalem, of 'pagan' influences.
    616 BC
    King Josiah of Judah reads from Deuteronomy.

    612 BC


    Fall of Assyrian Nineveh to Chaldeans, Babylon, Biblical Jonah.

    609 BC


    King Josiah of Judah dies at Megiddo.

    604 BC


    Jerusalem attacked by Nebuchadrezzar II.
    600 BC
    Etruscans on Lemnos, Greece.

    597 BC


    Jerusalem occupied by Nebuchadrezzar II.

    587 BC


    Temple at Jerusalem destroyed by Nebuchadrezzar II.

    586 BC


    Start of Babylonian exile for Jews.
    580 BC
    Birth of Lao-tsu, Founder of Taoism.

    569 BC


    Pythagoras born, Samos, Greece.
    562 BC Genesis composed.
    552 BC Temple of Artemis\Diana built at Ephesus (third wonder of the world).

    551 BC


    Confucius born in Shantung Province, China.

    539 BC


    Persia controls Babylon, Phoenicia, Palestine, Syria & Cyprus.

    538 BC


    Cyrus II allows selected exiled Jews to return to Jerusalem,
    after producing a charter, on the rights of nations.
    522 BC
    Darius the Great takes stronghold of Tigra, in Armenia.

    520 BC


    Building of the second Temple at Jerusalem starts.

    516 BC


    End of Babylonian exile for those who saw Jerusalem as home.

    515 BC


    Darius the Great founds Persian 'Persepolis' on prehistoric settlement.

    515 BC


    Second Temple completed, driven by Prophets Haggai & Zechariah.
    503 BC 'Phoenician' Carthage makes an alliance with 'Rome'.

    500 BC


    Roman semicircular Arch.

    480 BC


    Battles of Thermopylae and Salamis.
    458 BC
    Ezra sent to govern Jerusalem (5 Books of the Torah).
    450 BC
    Polyclitus introduces symmetria into Sculpture.

    445 BC


    Nehemiah sees Jerusalem’s walls built.
    432 BC
    Meton introduces his Lunar calendar in Athens.
    432 BC
    The Parthenon, Athens, completed.
    418 BC Sparta defeat Athens in the Battle of Mantinea.

    400 BC


    Fall of Theseus' Athens, Sophocles.

    400 BC


    The Cynic movement founded.

    399 BC


    Socrates dies, Athens, Greece.

    398 BC


    Ezra leads last Jews from Babylonia to Jerusalem.

    377 BC


    Hippocrates dies.
    373 BC
    Helike submerged, Greece.

    360 BC


    Plato writes The Republic.

    350 BC


    Aristotle writes on Metaphysics.
    336 BC King Philip II of Macedonia dies.

    333 BC


    Alexander the Great wins 'Battle of Issus', Turkey.

    330 BC


    Alexander sacks Persepolis.

    323 BC


    Alexander dies, Ptolemaic dynasty begins.

    300 BC


    Euclid in Alexandria, Egypt (Arabian Text).

    300 BC


    The Stoic movement founded in Athens, by Zeno of Citium (Cyprus).

    270 BC


    Epicuras dies.

    267 BC


    Ctesibius invents clockwork timepiece, with Cuckoo.
    240 BC Halley's comet reported in China.

    238 BC


    Decree of Canopus for Ptolemy Euergetes.

    235 BC


    Ptolomy III establishes a 'Great Library' at Alexandria.

    230 BC


    Aristarchus of Samos died, after proposing heliocentric cosmos.
    221 BC Magnetic compass in use in China.

    221 BC


    Building of Great Wall of China begins.

    218 BC


    Hannibal crosses the Alps with elephants.

    212 BC


    Archimedes dies.
    200 BC 'Jesus ben Sirach' compiles his Ecclesiaticus.
    200 BC
    Parchment in use at Pergamum, Turkey.

    190 BC


    'Rosetta Stone' ordered by Ptolemy V Epiphanes.

    169 BC


    Antiochus IV Epiphanes plunders 'The Temple' at Jerusalem.

    167 BC


    'Antiochus IV' offers sacrifice to 'Zeus' in 'The Temple'.
    166 BC
    Maccabean Revolt 'Hanukkah' puts 'The Temple' back in 'Jewish' control.
    164 BC Halley's comet recorded on Babylonian 'Cuneiform' Tablets.

    150 BC


    Inca 3rd sun.

    130 BC


    Septuagint completed.

    120 BC


    Hipparchus dies.

    87 BC


    Clockwork timepiece, Antikythera.
    86 BC Halley's comet.

    73 BC


    Spartacus leads a slave's rebellion.

    63 BC


    Roman Army's invasion of Judea (Pompey).

    55 BC


    Julius Caesar attempts an invasion of Britain.

    54 BC


    Crassus plunders 'The Temple' in Jerusalem.

    54 BC


    'Julius Caesar' fails to invade Britain.

    46 BC


    'Julian' Calendar standardized.

    44 BC


    'Gaius Julius Caesar' assassinated (March 15th).

    41 BC


    Cleopatra sails into Tarsus, to meet 'Mark Antony'.

    37 BC


    Herod the Great, ruler of Judaea.

    31 BC


    Cleopatra and Mark Anthony die.

    20 BC


    Philo Judaeus born (Greek-speaking 'Jewish' philosopher).
    19 BC Virgil (Publius Vergilius Maro) died.
    11 BC Halley's comet.

    7 BC


    Jesus, of Nazareth, born.

    4 BC


    Herod 'the Great' dies, at Jericho.
    Last edited by Hardrock69; 04-18-2006, 03:56 PM.

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    • Mr Grimsdale
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Jan 2004
      • 9510

      #3
      it's a bit like that skit in airplane

      first there were the dinosaurs, but they died and turned into oil which was discovered by the arabs and...

      it all comes back to those pesky arabs!
      Originally posted by flappo
      i'm sure grimsdale's on drugs

      Originally posted by Cato
      translating your Japanese.


      "Master Cato is...I order, it's yours. don't ask me to do gay material for the life of me because you kick my bat."

      omae baka dana?

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      • jhale667
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 20929

        #4
        Excellent post, HR. :D
        Originally posted by conmee
        If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

        That is all.

        Icon.
        Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
        I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


        Originally posted by Isaac R.
        Then it's really true??

        The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

        OMFG...who in their right mind...???
        Originally posted by eddie78
        I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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        • bobgnote
          Banned
          • May 2005
          • 627

          #5
          Green flaves? Sure, here goes:

          A little bit of Mickey-junction fell to earth one day . . .

          and it was shit forsure in the 2008-2012 window, for the USA!

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          • Warham
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Mar 2004
            • 14589

            #6
            Originally posted by Hardrock69
            The scientific aspect of evolution is simply the factual and biological process of how we evolved.
            And they still haven't figured it out yet.

            How is it possible to turn inorganic matter to organic matter?

            I've never seen that experiment replicated by any scientist.

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            • kentuckyklira
              Veteran
              • Sep 2004
              • 1776

              #7
              People that don´t understand Darwin are frightfully bad at maths!

              10thousands and more years is a lot of time!

              Unless of course, if you believe your wife was made of one of your ribs!
              http://images.zeit.de/gesellschaft/z...ie-540x304.jpg

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              • kentuckyklira
                Veteran
                • Sep 2004
                • 1776

                #8
                Originally posted by Warham
                And they still haven't figured it out yet.

                How is it possible to turn inorganic matter to organic matter?

                I've never seen that experiment replicated by any scientist.
                It´s pretty easy actually. Unless of course, you don´t know what all constitutes organic matter!
                http://images.zeit.de/gesellschaft/z...ie-540x304.jpg

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                • Warham
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 14589

                  #9
                  I don't think it's possible for a tadpole to become a man in four billion years.

                  Not enough time.

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                  • Warham
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 14589

                    #10
                    Originally posted by kentuckyklira
                    It´s pretty easy actually. Unless of course, you don´t know what all constitutes organic matter!
                    It is, eh?

                    There's never been an experiment where they've been able to create life out of inorganic or nonliving matter.

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                    • knuckleboner
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2927

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Warham
                      And they still haven't figured it out yet.

                      How is it possible to turn inorganic matter to organic matter?

                      I've never seen that experiment replicated by any scientist.
                      um...dude, that's not evolution. evolution is the existing living organisms changing, over time, into different living organisms.

                      but that's besides the point.



                      the theory of evolution is pretty well established. that's probably why intelligent design is becoming more prominent in the religious sectors. they realize that to argue creationism as a literal interpretation of the bible is becoming more and more of a losing argument. so instead, they move to I.D.


                      now, the funny thing is, long before I.D. became fashionable, i was a proponent. still am. makes much more sense to me that the structured order and complexity of the big bang creating the universe came from an intelligent entity, then to assume it sprang from nothingness.

                      still, it has no possible way of being tested or verified. it does not belong in science class.

                      simple speculation is not a scientific theory. and the "proof" being offered? that the universe is so complex? that's not proof.


                      talking about intelligent design in logic, religion or philosophical debates is fine. makes good sense.

                      discussing it in the context of science classes is really just a subterfuge to promote religion.

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                      • Warham
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 14589

                        #12
                        One of the tenets of evolution is that life evolved from inorganic matter, otherwise you'd need something supernatural as the cause, which just won't do in the scientific world.

                        Actually it's been proven that MICROevolution is true, because it's been observed over time. The rest, not so. It's just an assumption based on what they see with natural selection.

                        My point is, macroevolution is a poor theory that doesn't account for the short amount of time life has been around OR the complexity of the organisms involved.

                        I think pointing out the flaws of Darwinian evolutionary theory doesn't even require a discussion of religion.
                        Last edited by Warham; 04-18-2006, 05:49 PM.

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                        • Guitar Shark
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7579

                          #13
                          Originally posted by knuckleboner
                          now, the funny thing is, long before I.D. became fashionable, i was a proponent. still am. makes much more sense to me that the structured order and complexity of the big bang creating the universe came from an intelligent entity, then to assume it sprang from nothingness.
                          Why?

                          Why is it more logical to believe that an intelligent entity sprang from nothingness, yet it is illogical to believe that the universe did?
                          ROTH ARMY MILITIA


                          Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
                          Sharky sometimes needs things spelled out for him in explicit, specific detail. I used to think it was a lawyer thing, but over time it became more and more evident that he's merely someone's idiot twin.

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                          • Warham
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 14589

                            #14
                            I have no problem with microevolution.

                            Anybody with two eyes can see variations in species, like the difference between a Golden Retriever and a Collie.

                            My problem with evolution arises when we talk about a one celled organism slowly turning into a fish which gradually grows arms and legs, crawls out of the water, starts to breathe air, then 100-200 million years later is a homo sapien.

                            It's not about promoting a religion, it's about common sense, at least to me.

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                            • ODShowtime
                              ROCKSTAR

                              • Jun 2004
                              • 5812

                              #15
                              Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists."
                              Wow, what a crap article. What crap science.

                              It's like they're trying to make us forget what that word means with this nonsense.
                              gnaw on it

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