You call this abuse?

[Seshmeister]

Re: You call this abuse?

Originally posted by BigBadBrian

And the number of people we’ve actually held is pretty small. Last month the military announced that only 759 people have spent time at Gitmo. Hundreds have already been freed and an additional 136 detainees will be released or transferred as soon as their home countries agree to accept and treat them humanely, according to Navy Lt. Cmdr. Chito Peppler.

So these hundreds of people denied any sort of a trial, who were chained up and tortured for years WEREN'T FUCKING TERRORISTS THEN WERE THEY!?

Even by the fucked up standards of the US government.

There is no decent evidence against any of the remaining ones otherwise there would have held a showcase trial by now to justify this evil shit.

Abuse isn't a strong enough word.

You and ELVIS should set up an organisation 'Christians for Torture'.

I've just checked the website is available...

Cheers!

[ELVIS]

"Chained up and tortured" ??


You have some imagination...

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by ELVIS
"Chained up and tortured" ??


You have some imagination...

No I can read without blinkers on.

Dozens of sources, pictures, documented facts.

Even the Attorney General in Blair's government is appalled.

Typical example of a guy that was released.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3504034.stm

[b]

Guantanamo Briton 'was tortured'

Jamal Udeen before his fateful trip to Pakistan
One of the five Britons released from Guantanamo Bay claims US guards at the camp in Cuba tortured and abused him.
Jamal Udeen has told the Daily Mirror he went to Pakistan to study Muslim culture but was taken prisoner after straying into Afghanistan by mistake.

The US, which denies claims of bad treatment at the camp, held him as a terrorist suspect for two years.

Mr Udeen, 37, from Manchester, said he was beaten by men in riot gear after refusing to have a mystery injection.

'Psychological torture'

He said the guards had tried to get prisoners to confess to things they had not done.

They were shackled and attached to metal rings on the floor during interrogation, Mr Udeen claimed in the newspaper.

But he said: "The beatings were not as nearly as bad as the psychological torture - bruises heal after a week but the other stuff stays with you.

"The whole point of Guantanamo was to get to you psychologically. "

Recreation meant your legs were untied and you walked up and down a strip of gravel

Jamal Udeen

A spokesman for US Southern Command in Miami, told BBC News Online: "We do treat the detainees in a fair humane way, according to the Geneva Convention."

The US transferred Mr Udeen to the UK on Tuesday, saying he was a low risk.

But Mr Udeen, a father-of-three, said inmates were kept in wire cages with concrete floors and no protection from the elements.

He claims water to the cells was often cut off before prayers so Muslim prisoners could not wash themselves as their religion instructs them to.

He told the Mirror their "recreation" time involved being untied and
allowed to walk up and down a strip of gravel.

"They actually said: 'You have no rights here'. After a while, we stopped asking for human rights - we wanted animal rights."

Mr Udeen, who is from the Moss Side area of Manchester, said he was chained up and interrogated by the CIA and FBI on 40 occasions and that later MI5 officers also questioned him.

US bombing

Mr Udeen told the newspaper: "They would say: 'Are you a terrorist?' I'd say 'no, get me out of here'."

The web designer, who converted to Islam when he was 23, said his nightmare began four days into his trip to a region of Pakistan on the border of Afghanistan.

When the US began bombing Taleban strongholds he decided to leave and Mr Udeen said he paid a local truck driver to take him to Turkey - not realising the route would take him through Afghanistan.

He said he was initially arrested by the Taleban as a suspected spy but, when the Americans arrived, US soldiers took him to a "concentration camp" before being moved to Cuba.

Mr Udeen said he had agreed to tell his story to the Mirror to highlight the plight of those still being held at the camp.

[ELVIS]

Bullshit

taken prisoner after straying into Afghanistan by mistake

By mistake ??

Oh, ok...

[ELVIS]

More bullshit...

He claims water to the cells was often cut off before prayers so Muslim prisoners could not wash themselves as their religion instructs them to.

Oh my gosh...

TORTURE !!

[Seshmeister]

So you are saying that it's fine to lock up and torture anyone that wasn't a native of Afghanistan who was in the area when the war started.

I was travelling off the beaten track in Egypt a year before 9-11.

If I had the Muslim superstition and say a few of the hijackers had been from there and the timing had been different then it would have been fine for that to have been done to me?

You're also forgetting he was released with no charges.

[ELVIS]

Ok...

Let's see now...

Originally posted by Seshmeister
So you are saying that it's fine to lock up and torture anyone that wasn't a native of Afghanistan who was in the area when the war started.

Lock up ??

Yes...

I was travelling off the beaten track in Egypt a year before 9-11.

How about after ??

And what does this have to do with anything ??

If I had the Muslim superstition and say a few of the hijackers had been from there and the timing had been different then it would have been fine for that to have been done to me?

"Detained", yes...

That is, If I understand your drunken ramblings correctly...

You're also forgetting he was released with no charges.

So was OJ...what's your point ??

I don't get it...

[FORD]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Oh my gosh...

TORTURE !!

Don't be a hypocrite, Elvis.

Let's say some activist right wing judge decided that your rehab and religious conversion wasn't enough, and he decided to send you to prison for your past mistakes.

Now let's say that while incarcerated, some assholes came into your cell and pissed all over your Bible, or tried to flush it down the toilet. Or in some other way decided to fuck with your exercizing of your religious faith.

Would that be acceptable to you?

Native Americans often have problems practicing their spiritual beliefs inside correctional facilities, mostly due to ignorance over what is required for their religious ceremonies. For example, a pipe is required, as the chanunpah (pipe) is as sacred to the Native Americans as the Bible is to Christians or the Koran is to Muslims. The peoples of this continent didn't have books. Their traditions were passed down generation to generation.

Anyway, it's wrong to fuck with someone's religious beliefs, even if they are in prison. And if you claim to be religious yourself, then what would benefit an "evil" person more than having the opportunity to know God?

[matt19]

Originally posted by FORD
Don't be a hypocrite, Elvis.

Let's say some activist right wing judge decided that your rehab and religious conversion wasn't enough, and he decided to send you to prison for your past mistakes.

Now let's say that while incarcerated, some assholes came into your cell and pissed all over your Bible, or tried to flush it down the toilet. Or in some other way decided to fuck with your exercizing of your religious faith.

Would that be acceptable to you?

Native Americans often have problems practicing their spiritual beliefs inside correctional facilities, mostly due to ignorance over what is required for their religious ceremonies. For example, a pipe is required, as the chanunpah (pipe) is as sacred to the Native Americans as the Bible is to Christians or the Koran is to Muslims. The peoples of this continent didn't have books. Their traditions were passed down generation to generation.

Anyway, it's wrong to fuck with someone's religious beliefs, even if they are in prison. And if you claim to be religious yourself, then what would benefit an "evil" person more than having the opportunity to know God?

So why do you rag on the "Religious Right"?

[FORD]

Originally posted by matt19
So why do you rag on the "Religious Right"?

Because they are hypocrites who have distorted the name of Christianity and shit all over the teachings of Jesus Christ.

[matt19]

They are doing the same shit that Muslims are in their countries.
Killing for their religion, because they think they are right.

It doesnt make it right but you usually fail to see through your liberal sunglasses.

[FORD]

Originally posted by matt19
They are doing the same shit that Muslims are in their countries.
Killing for their religion, because they think they are right.

It doesnt make it right but you usually fail to see through your liberal sunglasses.

No, I don't excuse anyone killing in the name of their religion, whether it's Chimp Bush, Osama Bin Laden, or Ariel Sharon. Or whomever.

Even if you believe the ridiculous fables of "Al Qaeda", they certainly aren't acting according to the teachings of Mohammed.

[matt19]

Originally posted by FORD
No, I don't excuse anyone killing in the name of their religion, whether it's Chimp Bush, Osama Bin Laden, or Ariel Sharon. Or whomever.

Even if you believe the ridiculous fables of "Al Qaeda", they certainly aren't acting according to the teachings of Mohammed.

Amen.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by FORD


Even if you believe the ridiculous fables of "Al Qaeda"

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by FORD
No, I don't excuse anyone killing in the name of their religion, whether it's Chimp Bush, Osama Bin Laden, or Ariel Sharon. Or whomever.

Even if you believe the ridiculous fables of "Al Qaeda", they certainly aren't acting according to the teachings of Mohammed.

They are if they fuck children though like Mohammed did.

Oops better not mention that in any media unless you want to be killed.