Cindy Sheehan encouraging soldiers to desert their posts

[Cathedral]

If you go AWOL then you deserve what you get in return.
maybe when people were being drafted, Sheehan's message would mean something.
But people, it's all voluntary, therefore, any dumbass who takes off didn't think seriously about what "Serving Their Country" meant from the beginning.
If you are the kind of person who never wants to fight on a battlefield, then you don't sign up for the military.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you wear a uniform then there is a likely chance you'll go to war should the need arise. I mean, c'mon, "I joined to earn college money and get training in my field", Um, duh, but you also became a soldier, who is also trained to kill with that thing slung over your back, we call it a gun.

But if Sheehan influences people to abandon their posts and flee to Canada we should send her a Thank You note.
Why?
Because I don't want anyone who would run being the last line of defense between the enemy and me.
Anything that exposes a coward is just alright with me.

[jcook11]

Originally posted by Cathedral
If you go AWOL then you deserve what you get in return.
maybe when people were being drafted, Sheehan's message would mean something.
But people, it's all voluntary, therefore, any dumbass who takes off didn't think seriously about what "Serving Their Country" meant from the beginning.
If you are the kind of person who never wants to fight on a battlefield, then you don't sign up for the military.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you wear a uniform then there is a likely chance you'll go to war should the need arise. I mean, c'mon, "I joined to earn college money and get training in my field", Um, duh, but you also became a soldier, who is also trained to kill with that thing slung over your back, we call it a gun.

But if Sheehan influences people to abandon their posts and flee to Canada we should send her a Thank You note.
Why?
Because I don't want anyone who would run being the last line of defense between the enemy and me.
Anything that exposes a coward is just alright with me.

Nice post Cathedral!

[thome]

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath:

''I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.''


Every single person who -Joins Up- must swear this oath, words are ment to be broken to some people, or they have no true meaning.

To others this is the law you will be judged by.That would the UCMJ.

Even if you sign a paper, that sais you will train on computers and think,
you'll be safe and behind the lines. You will get a gun and carry it
to your computer and if needed you'll be standing at the -Front- of the
line with all you computer skills and nothing in hand but a rifle a
fistfull of bullets and all your wished gone.

They seem to gloss over this in the recruiting seminars.

[diamondD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Except she actually lost a son in the War, whereas Ann just keeps living the high life. Has the bitch ever been to Iraq to cover things first hand?

I don't know what Ann had to do with this subject, but the difference between them is simple. Ann is smart. She knows what to say when she has a book and her sales go thru the roof. I wouldn't buy one or take one if they were free. She's just as extreme on her views as anyone on the far left. But I don's see anyone on here defending Ann with the same fervor of the defense Cindy gets


They are both attention whores, but at least Ann's got brains. Cindy is a left wing puppet who will be left with nothing when the war is over except a legacy of being stupid and used. Ann will be living the high life, like you said.


You are making the excuse she lost a son. Does that excuse her actions in your eyes? Very big different reactions today from the familes of the soldiers that were tortured and killed. Both praised the troops and their mission and one uncle just said he wanted the troops to find them and kill them.

[diamondD]

*double post*

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Cindy Sheehan is to conservatives what Ann Coulter is to liberals.

Matt, that's lame. Cindy Sheehan lost her son to a needless war. Ann Coulter hasn't even lost a penis that she apparently doesn't need.

Furthermore, since this war is illegal, and thereby every order given in said war is also illegal (and certainly torture and cold blooded murder are illegal) then the deserters haven't broken any more laws than anyone else. Fact is, they have broken far less than anyone involved in Abu Grahib, Guantanamo, or Haditha.

[jcook11]

This is where Cathedral nails it, who decides when a war is needless or not.

[FORD]

Originally posted by kentuckyklira
If enough of my ancestors had deserted their posts once they figured out what they were doing was wrong,

it would have done the world a lot of good.

Too bad mankind never learns!

I think every Busheep needs to read this over and over again until it sinks in.

What if a majority of German soldiers had deserted from Hitler's sickening fascist war machine?

How many millions could have been saved?

How many millions will be saved this time if the Troops start telling Chimpy to FUCK OFF?

This occupation is a crime against Iraq, a crime against America, and a crime against the human race. I sure as Hell wouldn't think any less of someone who didn't go.

[FORD]

Originally posted by jcook11
This is where Cathedral nails it, who decides when a war is needless or not.

It shouldn't be the decision of one man, and absolutely never the decision of "dual citizens" who put the desires of another nation above this country.

It should be based upon one principle and one principle only.

DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Not corporate profits.
Not another country's agenda.
Not lies and bullshit.

PERIOD.

[Terry]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Maybe some one should tell Neo Con windbags to enlist, so the same people don't have to keep going over and over again...

I don't see why W shouldn't send his daughters over there to fight. It's not like they're working on cancer cures or doing anything so essential with their lives that they COULDN'T go over there and fight, right?

Matter of fact, any politician who voted for the war should be getting their kids into the Armed Forces and right on the front lines, pronto.

Nothing substitutes for leading by example.

Maybe Coulter and Hannity could sign up for the National Guard, if they actually believe in their own rhetoric.

Principles only mean something when it's inconvenient to defend them.

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
Matt, that's lame. Cindy Sheehan lost her son to a needless war. Ann Coulter hasn't even lost a penis that she apparently doesn't need.

Furthermore, since this war is illegal, and thereby every order given in said war is also illegal (and certainly torture and cold blooded murder are illegal) then the deserters haven't broken any more laws than anyone else. Fact is, they have broken far less than anyone involved in Abu Grahib, Guantanamo, or Haditha.

FORD, I knew you would be the first one in here defending their deserting. Thanks for not disappointing. But if you aren't going to discuss it in reality terms, go start another stupid BCE thread.

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
It shouldn't be the decision of one man, and absolutely never the decision of "dual citizens" who put the desires of another nation above this country.

It should be based upon one principle and one principle only.

DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Not corporate profits.
Not another country's agenda.
Not lies and bullshit.

PERIOD.

Reality check: That's not the way the world works.

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
Reality check: That's not the way the world works.

Yeah, not since the BCE corrupted the government

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by diamondD
I don't know what Ann had to do with this subject,

Check which post I quoted then...

but the difference between them is simple. Ann is smart. She knows what to say when she has a book and her sales go thru the roof.

So you must think the same of Michael Moore then?

I wouldn't buy one or take one if they were free. She's just as extreme on her views as anyone on the far left. But I don's see anyone on here defending Ann with the same fervor of the defense Cindy gets

You wouldn't have to buy one if they were free, would you? I'm not the one comparing them, GS is. I was just responding to his logic which I see as way off base.

They are both attention whores, but at least Ann's got brains.

She's a narcissistic douche tube and button pusher that some people find attractive. She writes poorly and routinely exposes herself as sloppy and thick, as in: "you're stupider than I am." Just because she's able to make up shit, and act as a sounding board for knee-jerk ultra-right wing nonsense makes her neither particularly talented nor patriotic...

Cindy is a left wing puppet who will be left with nothing when the war is over except a legacy of being stupid and used. Ann will be living the high life, like you said.

So will Michael Moore then? I guess you think he's a genius and great too?

You are making the excuse she lost a son. Does that excuse her actions in your eyes? Very big different reactions today from the familes of the soldiers that were tortured and killed. Both praised the troops and their mission and one uncle just said he wanted the troops to find them and kill them.

It's too bad what happened, but that's their families opinion they're entitled too. And what do their statements have to do with Sheehan? Is anybody attacking them or calling them warmongers or something?

I'd be one of the first to punch out those God Hate's Fags assfucks protesting at a military funeral...

[jcook11]

Originally posted by FORD
Yeah, not since the BCE corrupted the government

I will ALMOST be glad when Bush is not in office so I don't have to hear about the "BCE" anymore. Where will your boogeyman come from when the left is back in power?