Israel Takes A Stupid Pill

[LoungeMachine]

No, Catheter.......

It's the Administration.

You know that.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Um. 'scuse me, but, who served in the Army?

Thank you for that, by the way. [in case we in here haven't acknowledged you yet]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh

You have an interesting sense of social justice for a loud, bombastic "Christian."

LMAO

If you recall, Catheter is the guy who once told me if we met in a bar his fist would be right in my face. :D

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
No, Catheter.......

It's the Administration.

You know that.

LMMFAO, you're damn right i know that.
Nick and I are just havin' some fun, it's all good.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Cathedral
LMMFAO, you're damn right i know that.
Nick and I are just havin' some fun, it's all good.

:D


Yeah, but can ya smack him in the face just once for me....:D

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Um. 'scuse me, but, who served in the Army?

And if I saw some guy beating up a smaller kid, while hitting innocent people as he flailed away, I'd hardly fucking "back him."

You have an interesting sense of social justice for a loud, bombastic "Christian."

Oooooo, well i thought we was jus habbin sum fun...guess not, lol.

Sorry i'm so loud and bombastic, i have hearing issues and i'm excitable.
Not to mention Bi-Polar and suffering from severe depression.

But i think i've actually adjusted well in the last couple of years.
Guess i'm wrong there too.

Oh hell, Nick, you're right buddy...*sniff,sniff* where's that jesus Juice, I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

LMMFAO...

And lounge, when my fist gets in your face it will be gripping a beer mug...I'm just trying to give you a damn beer man, lol.

I'd say i should just take my ball and go home...but i didn't bring a ball and i'm already home...

[LoungeMachine]

We love and miss ya, Catheter......


You're actually the most respectable con in here.....

At least ya call a spade, a spade.......

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
We love and miss ya, Catheter......


You're actually the most respectable con in here.....

At least ya call a spade, a spade.......

Yeah, but i also pee in the pool, lmmfao.

Which reminds me, i'm having a pool party next weekend, you're all wlecome to attend.

[m_dixon1984]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Yeah, lol, i realized through the night that i had Hezbollah and Hamas confused.

My bad, but it doesn't change my opinion about nukes, and i agree 100% with you that NOBODY needs nukes.

Don't feel too bad about your gaff. You may have intended to be using Hamas and Palestine as your example but your accidental use of Hezbollah governing brings up one of the issues that makes this conflict far from simple.

Hezbollah is not just a terrorist organization, they are also democratically elected members of the Lebanese government (14 elected members, I do believe). Hezbollah do represent a segment of the Lebanese population and they are far from secretive. They are also almost entirely funded by the Syrians and the Iranians. This combination and the inability of the ruling Lebanese government to control the actions of Hezbollah on their soil has certainly added fuel to the Israeli position.

It does seem that the Israeli reaction to a simple military action (the attack on the Israeli tank company and the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers) has been far from showing reasonable restraint but as I've pointed out the situation is far from simple.

The majority of all civilians caught in the midst of military action are essentially innocents so FORD and friends who continue to use this against Israel are really just following the media's lead. Using the strife of innocent people to make a case against any military action is almost childish. It overly simplifies very complicated situations and makes choosing sides black and white. Israel kills women and children, Hezbollah attacks the Israel military. Cut and dry right? Israel is the bad guy. Israel has decided that Lebanon is incapable of controlling Hezbollah and the Lebanese people, unfortunately, are going to pay a heavy price. The Lebanese people, however, had their choice to completely distance themselves from Hezbollah and chose instead to include them in their government.

Are the innocents completely innocent? Lets hope Syria and Iran stay out of direct action long enough for diplomacy to have a chance to end what is so far a small conflict. And yes, before it's mentioned, let's hope Israel doesn't move against Syria at the same time.

M

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by m_dixon1984
Don't feel too bad about your gaff. You may have intended to be using Hamas and Palestine as your example but your accidental use of Hezbollah governing brings up one of the issues that makes this conflict far from simple.

Hezbollah is not just a terrorist organization, they are also democratically elected members of the Lebanese government (14 elected members, I do believe). Hezbollah do represent a segment of the Lebanese population and they are far from secretive. They are also almost entirely funded by the Syrians and the Iranians. This combination and the inability of the ruling Lebanese government to control the actions of Hezbollah on their soil has certainly added fuel to the Israeli position.

It does seem that the Israeli reaction to a simple military action (the attack on the Israeli tank company and the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers) has been far from showing reasonable restraint but as I've pointed out the situation is far from simple.

The majority of all civilians caught in the midst of military action are essentially innocents so FORD and friends who continue to use this against Israel are really just following the media's lead. Using the strife of innocent people to make a case against any military action is almost childish. It overly simplifies very complicated situations and makes choosing sides black and white. Israel kills women and children, Hezbollah attacks the Israel military. Cut and dry right? Israel is the bad guy. Israel has decided that Lebanon is incapable of controlling Hezbollah and the Lebanese people, unfortunately, are going to pay a heavy price. The Lebanese people, however, had their choice to completely distance themselves from Hezbollah and chose instead to include them in their government.

Are the innocents completely innocent? Lets hope Syria and Iran stay out of direct action long enough for diplomacy to have a chance to end what is so far a small conflict. And yes, before it's mentioned, let's hope Israel doesn't move against Syria at the same time.

M

Now THIS is how you post at the army, HoooAhhhhh!

So, i really wasn't wrong, just a bit twisted with my details.
I'm trying to pay attention but, so far this year has kept my mind working double overtime.

I've been asking people all day long what they think started all of this and did not get any two answers that were the same....I feel like i live in Babylon and everyone is speaking a different language.

What i did learn is that conservatives support Israel and liberals don't.

[Redballjets88]

lounge you may say im like a 6th grader but with the way you act you sound like a 3rd grader...be more like ford and learn how to have a decent debate over ideas

[m_dixon1984]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Now THIS is how you post at the army, HoooAhhhhh!

So, i really wasn't wrong, just a bit twisted with my details.
I'm trying to pay attention but, so far this year has kept my mind working double overtime.

I've been asking people all day long what they think started all of this and did not get any two answers that were the same....I feel like i live in Babylon and everyone is speaking a different language.

What i did learn is that conservatives support Israel and liberals don't.

It 's a good thing I don't consider myself either a conservative or a liberal. I'm far too skeptical to base my opinion on the position of either. I'm too skeptical of most of what is being said about the cause and effect of the middle-eastern situation. It's fucked up. The actions of both sides are fucked up. The responses just as fucked up. The end result is going to be one fucked region with a badly fucked up population. Getting involved is pretty fucked up. Not getting involved well that's fucked up to. Innocent people dying...damned fucked up. Nukes even having to be discussed...hella fucked up. Limiting yourself ideologically to a single point of view or perspective...myopically fucked up.

M

[RuzDNailz]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Now THIS is how you post at the army, HoooAhhhhh!

So, i really wasn't wrong, just a bit twisted with my details.
I'm trying to pay attention but, so far this year has kept my mind working double overtime.

I've been asking people all day long what they think started all of this and did not get any two answers that were the same....I feel like i live in Babylon and everyone is speaking a different language.

What i did learn is that conservatives support Israel and liberals don't.

It's true. Rockets are always getting fired into Israel targeting basically anything in it's path. Suicide bombers are always attacking buses and cafes where innocent people go into do their own business. Israel has been battling their hostile neighbours for almost 6 years now. I'm hoping that soon there will be a ceasefire and a solution to all this. All Lebanon has to do is release the soldiers unharmed and reconstruction can begin in Lebanon. With the G8 Summit taking place,
world leaders are looking at both sides and are willing to ask both to negotiate. It sucks to see all the Israel bashing going on here, but I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's sad to see places get bombed and people getting killed, but this has to stop.

[RuzDNailz]

That's why it's great that we have a Conservative minority government here. Liberals may have a say in certain things, but the Cons are the ones basically running the show now.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Cathedral


What i did learn is that conservatives support Israel and liberals don't.

That's a ridiculous generalization.

Pat Buchanan is a true conservative. His level of support for Israel is so low that he's been called "anti-semite" more than once. And in more recent years, he's certainly been no fan of the PNAC agenda.

I am a Liberal. I support the existence of the state of Israel. I also support the right of the Palestinian people to have their own state. Israel has the same right to self defense as any other nation, within reason.

Bombing the living shit out of Lebanon, killing children and Canadian nationals, and fucking up infrastructure (in order to secure new Haliburton contracts) is NOT a reasonable response to the "kidnapping" of two Israeli soldiers, who BTW were NOT within Israeli borders when they were captured. (Bet the Jerusalem Likud Post forgot to mention that part, didn't they?)

No nation has the right to live by different rules than anybody else. And I will NEVER support such lawless arrogance. Not from the Likud. Not from the BCE. Not from anybody.

[FORD]

Originally posted by RuzDNailz
That's why it's great that we have a Conservative minority government here. Liberals may have a say in certain things, but the Cons are the ones basically running the show now.

So you think it's a GOOD thing that Little Stevie Wonderbush could care less that CANADIANS have been murdered by these lawless fascists?