St Ken of Enron leads Bush’s new Christianity

[WACF]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Yep.

The Christian "Get out of Hell Free" card


What bullshit.

Nothing is free.

You must actually be sorry...and repent...any asshole can just say sorry.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Yep.

The Christian "Get out of Hell Free" card


What bullshit.



And according to WarBOT, Brie, et al......Gandhi is in hell.

He never took Christ as his personal Saviour

The problem is, nobody knows if that card actually works.
The thief to the left of Jesus on the the cross never lived for God.
I often wondered how that actually turned out.

The idea that you can live a life of sin to get to a point where you know you are going to die and THEN you decide to let Christ in?

I dunno about all that...but i guess it all depends on if your heart is true in the request.
But in all reality, or desperation, fear can be pretty convincing.

If i died right now i'd be hell bound for sure.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Cathedral
The problem is, nobody knows if that card actually works.
The thief to the left of Jesus on the the cross never lived for God.
I often wondered how that actually turned out.

Bit of a unique situation there. Not many of us get the opportunity to stare down the Son of God while we're still on this side of the Pearly Gates.

This guy KNEW he was talking to God, so his repentance was sincere.

Was Ken Lay's?

I doubt it. As I said, I'm not convinced yet that his death was even real.


Not saying that you can't do a deathbed confession, but rather that you can't go through life ripping off your own employees and the entire West Coast like Lay did and think it's all gonna be cool with the Man.

Because if the bastard DID die, then it happenned in his sleep. And he didn't have much time for confession or repentance.....

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
And of course Gandhi is burning in hell, because he didn't go to Elvis' church.:D

I'm always one to be stirring it but Ghandi was a real racist guy. Not a fan of black people at all. Google 'Ghandi Racist' and check it out. Maybe under the christian superstition that would make him have to go to hell?

Cheers!

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Cathedral
The problem is, nobody knows if that card actually works.
The thief to the left of Jesus on the the cross never lived for God.
I often wondered how that actually turned out.

The idea that you can live a life of sin to get to a point where you know you are going to die and THEN you decide to let Christ in?

I dunno about all that...but i guess it all depends on if your heart is true in the request.
But in all reality, or desperation, fear can be pretty convincing.

If i died right now i'd be hell bound for sure.

You just summarised problem #7982a of the belief system.

Someone spends their whole life working for nothing as an aid worker tirelessly trying to help people in abject poverty but has serious doubts about the existance of the christian god. He dies and is tortured forever.

Pedophile who kills a dozen 5 year old children after raping them and abuses dozens of others over a 50 year period has a moment of genuine serenity and prays for forgiveness 5 minutes before he dies. An eternal joyous afterlife in heaven.

What a great belief system...

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by FORD
Bit of a unique situation there. Not many of us get the opportunity to stare down the Son of God while we're still on this side of the Pearly Gates.

This guy KNEW he was talking to God, so his repentance was sincere.

Was Ken Lay's?

I doubt it. As I said, I'm not convinced yet that his death was even real.


Not saying that you can't do a deathbed confession, but rather that you can't go through life ripping off your own employees and the entire West Coast like Lay did and think it's all gonna be cool with the Man.

Because if the bastard DID die, then it happenned in his sleep. And he didn't have much time for confession or repentance.....

I doubt Lay confessed to anything before going, which is unfortunate for him.
But the thought of having to give back a shit load of money was probably too much for the old ticker.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
You just summarised problem #7982a of the belief system.

Someone spends their whole life working for nothing as an aid worker tirelessly trying to help people in abject poverty but has serious doubts about the existance of the christian god. He dies and is tortured forever.

Pedophile who kills a dozen 5 year old children after raping them and abuses dozens of others over a 50 year period has a moment of genuine serenity and prays for forgiveness 5 minutes before he dies. An eternal joyous afterlife in heaven.

What a great belief system...

I don't think it is that cut and dry, but it is a valid point just the same.
We, the living, can only percieve it from our perspective.
but the fact is, nobody knows except the deceased what they were actually in for in the afterlife.

I've been pondering this very situation for personal reasons lately, and i am going nuts knowing i won't find that answer in this life.

I, am totally and completely confused.

[Seshmeister]

"After the service the minister delighted the congregation of multimillionaires by repeatedly threading a camel from a local petting zoo through the eye of a needle."

[Nickdfresh]

:D

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
I'm always one to be stirring it but Ghandi was a real racist guy. Not a fan of black people at all. Google 'Ghandi Racist' and check it out. Maybe under the christian superstition that would make him have to go to hell?

Cheers!

Well, I've read a little, and Gandhi may well have had some racist attitudes earlier in his life while living in South Africa. Then again, there seemed to be a generous portion of quoting him out of context in his early writings...

The word "Kaffir," the South African equivalent of "******" was like it's American counterpart, once a term not considered to be racist, but merely a description of African slaves; it's negative connotation came later in it's association to oppressive racial subservience and hatred...

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well, I've read a little, and Gandhi may well have had some racist attitudes earlier in his life while living in South Africa. Then again, there seemed to be a generous portion of quoting him out of context in his early writings...

The word "Kaffir," the South African equivalent of "******" was like it's American counterpart, once a term not considered to be racist, but merely a description of African slaves; it's negative connotation came later in it's association to oppressive racial subservience and hatred...

Nice Post, Nick!

Social culture changes and so do the meanings of many words and symbols.

For example, The Confederate Flag...
At one point in our culture it represented the Rebel, now, people like me who wear it on a shirt or on a hat are seen as people who support a return to slavery.

You should see the looks i get when i wear my Rebel Racing lid, lol.
On one side it's a checkerd flag, on the other a Confederate Flag.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Nice Post, Nick!

Social culture changes and so do the meanings of many words and symbols.

For example, The Confederate Flag...
At one point in our culture it represented the Rebel, now, people like me who wear it on a shirt or on a hat are seen as people who support a return to slavery.

You should see the looks i get when i wear my Rebel Racing lid, lol.
On one side it's a checkerd flag, on the other a Confederate Flag.

You should watch that "Pen & Teller: Bullshit!" on the whole 'reparations for slavery' nonsense...

It's great!

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
You should watch that "Pen & Teller: Bullshit!" on the whole 'reparations for slavery' nonsense...

It's great!

I've never been a big fan of those guys, but i'll check into that.
I could use a good laugh anyway.

[FORD]

"American Jesus"

I don't need to be a global citizen
because i'm blessed by nationality
I'm member of a growing populace
we enforce our popularity
there are things that
seem to pull us under
and there are things
that drag us down
but there's a power
and a vital presence
thats lurking all around

we've got the american Jesus
see him on the interstate
we've got the american Jesus
he helped build the
president's estate

I feel sorry
for the earth's population
'cuz so few
live in the U.S.A.
at least the foreigners
can copy our morality
they can visit but they cannot stay
only precious few
can garner the prosperity
it makes us walk
with renewed confidence
we've got a place to go when we die
and the architect resides right here

we've got the american Jesus
overwhelming millions every day
(exercising his authority)

he's the farmers barren fields
the force the army wields
the expession in the faces
of the starving children
the power of the man
he's the fuel that drives the klan
he's the motive and conscience
of the murderer
he's the preacher on t.v.
the false sincerity
the form letter that's written
by the big computers
he's the nuclear bombs
and the kids with no moms
and i'm fearful that
he's inside me

[FORD]

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