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  • nobodys home
    Roth Army Recruit
    • Jun 2006
    • 11

    Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'



    Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'
    Canadian wrote of militia's presence, 'necessity' of bombing
    Joel Kom, with files from Steven Edwards, CanWest News Service, The Ottawa Citizen
    Published: Thursday, July 27, 2006

    The words of a Canadian United Nations observer written just days before he was killed in an Israeli bombing of a UN post in Lebanon are evidence Hezbollah was using the post as a "shield" to fire rockets into Israel, says a former UN commander in Bosnia.

    Those words, written in an e-mail dated just nine days ago, offer a possible explanation as to why the post -- which according to UN officials was clearly marked and known to Israeli forces -- was hit by Israel on Tuesday night, said retired Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie yesterday.

    The strike hit the UN observation post in the southern Lebanese village of El Khiam, killing Canadian Maj. Paeta Hess-von Kruedener and three others serving as unarmed UN military observers in the area.

    Just last week, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener wrote an e-mail about his experiences after nine months in the area, words Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie said are an obvious allusion to Hezbollah tactics.

    "What I can tell you is this," he wrote in an e-mail to CTV dated July 18. "We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both (Israeli) artillery and aerial bombing.

    "The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (sic) of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (sic) from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but rather due to tactical necessity."

    Those words, particularly the last sentence, are not-so-veiled language indicating Israeli strikes were aimed at Hezbollah targets near the post, said Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie.

    "What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces)," he said.

    That would mean Hezbollah was purposely setting up near the UN post, he added. It's a tactic Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie, who was the first UN commander in Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war, said he's seen in past international missions: Aside from UN posts, fighters would set up near hospitals, mosques and orphanages.

    A Canadian Forces infantry officer with the Edmonton-based Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and the only Canadian serving as a UN military observer in Lebanon, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener was no stranger to fighting nearby.

    The UN post, he wrote in the e-mail, afforded a view of the "Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base."

    "It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the IDF and Hezbollah has taken place in our area," he wrote, noting later it was too dangerous to venture out on patrols.

    The e-mail appears to contradict the UN's claim there had been no Hezbollah activity in the vicinity of the strike.

    The question of Hezbollah's infiltration of the area is significant because UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, speaking Tuesday just hours after the bombing, accused the Israelis of the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the base near Khiam in southern Lebanon.

    A senior UN official, asked about the information contained in Maj. Hess-von Kruedener's e-mail concerning Hezbollah presence in the vicinity of the Khiam base, denied the world body had been caught in a contradiction.

    "At the time, there had been no Hezbollah activity reported in the area," he said. "So it was quite clear they were not going after other targets; that, for whatever reason, our position was being fired upon.

    "Whether or not they thought they were going after something else, we don't know. The fact was, we told them where we were. They knew where we were. The position was clearly marked, and they pounded the hell out of us."

    Even if Hezbollah was not firing rockets at the time of the bombing, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener's e-mail indicates they were using a terrorist tactic of purposely drawing out enemy forces near a neutral site, said retired Capt. Peter Forsberg, who did two UN tours between 1993 and 1995 during the Bosnian war.

    The UN's limited mandate, meaning that its observers are unarmed and have few options, put the observers in a poor position, he said.

    If indeed Israel was attempting to hit Hezbollah fighters in the area, it hasn't yet used the excuse to explain its actions because it wouldn't make it any less guilty in the world's eyes, Capt. Forsberg said.
    No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe;every manis a peece of the Continent,part of the maine; if a clod bee washed away by the Sea,Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde ;And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;It tolls for thee. John Donne
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59948

    #2
    Does Conrad Black (Likud shill) own every newspaper in Canada now?

    This is how it starts, Hosers. You guys are just as fucked as we are
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • Cathedral
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Jan 2004
      • 6621

      #3
      The UN, under Kofi Annan, has nothing but a record of failure.

      For one, the moment that email was sent, action to get them out of there should have taken place.
      It isn't as though it is a new idea that these coward ass terror groups use innocent people as shields, and those people, God rest their souls, knew it.

      Therefore, it isn't our military targetting these people that make such great photo-ops to promote hatred of the West.

      Why don't people blame the terror groups for 'placing ' them ON the target?

      Like i said before, we cannot defeat them with conventional thinking.

      The post was admittedly UN-ARMED, so what fucking options did they have?

      They had one option, and Kofi Annan didn't get them out when he had the chance.
      The United Nations under Kofi Annan is always a day late and several Billion dollars in the hole, or is that a 'Spider Hole'?....

      It's tragic that those people lost their lives, Israel fucked up by hitting it directly, but as that email stated, Hezbollah does that shit on purpose thinking they won't fire at them and then they try to spin it as though they had no part in it.

      Half of America buys into that, and that empowers them.

      There is plenty of blame to go around in this particular case.
      But the message needs to be sent that the tactic won't work and those who are innocent should no better than to stay anywhere near them or say their damn prayers.

      I won't even mention how ineffective the UN has been in that region for 30 freakin' years.

      Kofi Annan is an ignorant pussified human being who couldn't make a stand if his life depended on it.
      Yesterday he nit picked about the fucking word 'apparently' being absent from a reporters comments, but he never addressed the question asked, did he?

      Send that fucker packing, he's contributed as much as the next guy to the current world climate we are in.
      Last edited by Cathedral; 07-27-2006, 05:04 PM.

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      • Seshmeister
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Oct 2003
        • 35827

        #4
        It's interesting you consider the Israeli army 'our military'.

        I guess that's effectively true.

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 59948

          #5
          Don't believe this story for a minute, until it's verified by a reputable source.

          Hollinger Media/Conrad Black are such Likudist shills that even Rupert Murdoch papers look like responsible journalism by comparison.

          These are the same assholes who ran that story 2 months ago about Iran supposedly sewing patches on the local Jewish population. A story which, oddly enough, was never verified by anyone else on the planet.

          I doubt this one will be either.

          And it sucks that Canada's media is being bought up by these treasonous cocksuckers even faster than ours was
          Eat Us And Smile

          Cenk For America 2024!!

          Justice Democrats


          "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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          • Nickdfresh
            SUPER MODERATOR

            • Oct 2004
            • 49646

            #6
            Thanks for dropping by with the "It's all Hezbollah's fault" thread.

            I mean, the Israelis have never targeted "observers" before...

            Oooops: http://www.ussliberty.org/

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            • WACF
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Jan 2004
              • 2920

              #7
              Actually I read some emails on the CTV site a week ago...the Canadian that was killed said they had been fired upon for tactical reasons on many occasions.

              Retired Lt. Gen Lewis Mackenzie spoke about this on CBC yesterday.
              I'll look later but there is an audio interview you can listen too.

              Anything Lew tells us I can believe...I respect the man and is a true Canadian Hero...just read "Road To Sareyevo"...he headed the first UNPORFOR mission in the former Yugo. He pretty much sums up what is wrong with the UN's way of running a mission...from personal experience.

              Another book to read is "Tested Mettle...Canadian Peackeepers at war" by Scott Taylor.
              He recounts stories of Canadians taking off their patches and going off into the dark to take care of people firing mortars from the edge of the UN compound...the UN was not allowed to fire on them and the Canadians did not want the return fire.

              Using the UN as sheilds is very common.

              This happened as the news is telling it.

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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32576

                #8
                Originally posted by Seshmeister
                It's interesting you consider the Israeli army 'our military'.

                I guess that's effectively true.
                Yep.

                Proxy war.

                This is Iran Vs. USA

                War Games with live ammo and dead children.
                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • WACF
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 2920

                  #9
                  This is the CTV article I read before the bombing....with an update.



                  A Canadian soldier's report from South Lebanon
                  Updated Wed. Jul. 26 2006 5:19 PM ET


                  After the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah, and the subsequent bombing campaign began against Lebanon, CTV.ca received an email from Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, a Canadian Forces soldier serving with the UN in South Lebanon.

                  "If you are interested in a Canadian perspective on the events of yesterday and what is happening here in the area I am serving in, I can provide some concise info for you about the current situation," he wrote.

                  With the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, Major Hess-von Kruedener was the only Canadian serving as a United Nations Military Observer in Lebanon. He was stationed at the UN base about 10 kilometres from where the Syrian, Lebanese and Israeli borders meet. The UN's mission there is to report ceasefire violations.
                  On July 25, that base came under fire from Israeli artillery and was struck by a precision-guided aerial bomb. Four UN observers died. On July 26, the federal government said Hess-von Kruedener was missing and presumed dead.

                  Here is his full email, written July 18, with background on the mission and the current situation:


                  We have had a brief "tactical pause" in the action here, so I am taking this opportunity to provide you some information on the situation here in south Lebanon. At the outset, I will provide you with a brief background on who I am, What the Org and Mission is here and then answer some of the bank of questions you provided.

                  Background

                  My name is Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, and I am an Infantry Officer with the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, of the Canadian Forces. I was sent to this Mission (United Nations Truce and Supervision Organization -UNTSO) last October 05, and am currently serving as an unarmed Military Observer. I have now been stationed here in south Lebanon for Approximately nine months.


                  I am currently writing to you from the UN Patrol Base Khiam, which is situated approximately 10 km from the nexus of the Israeli, Lebanese and Syrian Borders. I am serving with Observer Group Lebanon, or OGL, and I am on Team Sierra. The Patrol Base is named after the village it is situated in, El Khiam, which sits on one of four ridges which dominates both the Hasbani River valley, which then changes to the Houla Valley when it crosses the Lebanon-Israel border 10 km to our south.


                  A Canadian soldier mans a guard tower at Camp Ziouani, Golan Heights, in 2002. Thousands of Canadians have served in this border region since 1958. (Photo: MCpl Frank Hudec, Canadian Forces Combat Camera

                  The patrol base was initially an observation post and was built in 1972, but was later destroyed in 1976 during the fighting between the PLO and the South Lebanese Army (SLA). In 1978 it was rebuilt again and manned by elements of the Norwegian Battalion serving with UNIFIL. In 1980, Observer Group Lebanon (OGL) assumed responsibility for it. Historically, the area of the El Khiam and Hasbani valleys to the north and the Houla valley to the south have been the main axis for invasion in to Lebanon and Palestinian Territories.

                  Mission

                  The mission of Team Sierra and OGL within the greater context of UNTSO is to maintain the integrity of theWithdrawal Line (Blue Line), and report on any and all violations or activities that threaten the cease-fire and international peace and security here along the Lebanese/Israeli border, and Israeli Occupied Lebanon, and to support the UNSC resolution 1559, within our mission mandate.

                  Information Requested

                  (1) Currently, there are several nationalities that are here on the patrol base with me. I am serving with an Australian, Chinese, Finnish, Austrian, and Irish Officers. They come from various different backgrounds, levels of experience and services (Army, Navy and Air Force) from within their militaries.

                  (2) I have been here for nine months of a one-year tour of duty. Since I have arrived here in Lebanon, this current incident is the fourth I have seen and by far the most spectacular and intensive.


                  The first was 21 Nov 05, when the Hezbollah tried to capture IDF soldiers from an IDF observation position overlooking the Wazzani river near the town of Ghajjar on the Blue Line. This action was unsuccessful and resulted in the deaths of the Hezbollah raiding force.

                  On 01 Feb 06, a young shepherd boy was Killed by an IDF patrol near an abandon goat farm called Bastarra. Hassan Nasrallah (note: Hezbollah's leader) vowed that there would be consequences to this action. Team Sierra was tasked on 2 Feb 06, to assist in the investigation of the incident, and we sent one team to do so while the other team conducted its normal mobile patrolling activities.

                  On 03 Feb 06, a limited engagement took place initiated by the Hezbollah on several of the IDF defensive positions located in occupied Lebanon.

                  Then on 28 May, the Islamic Jihad (PLO) fired rockets from South Lebanon, into Israel, which elicited an immediate aerial bombardment of positions near our patrol base and in the Bekka valley.
                  (3) Our Team's normal operational activities are to plan, and execute daily vehicle and foot patrols of the Blue Line area within our area of responsibility. Unfortunately, with the current artillery and aerial bombing campaign being carried out by the IDF/IAF, it is not safe or prudent for us to conduct normal patrol activities. Currently, we are observing and reporting on all activities in our area of responsibility, with specific attention to activities along the Blue Line, which is clearly visible from our hilltop position.

                  (4) Team Sierra is currently observing both IDF/IAF and Hezbollah military clashes from our vantage point which has a commanding view of the IDF positions on the Golan mountains to our east and the IDF positions along the Blue Line to our south, as well as, most of the Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base. It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the IDF and Hezbollah has taken place in our area. On the night of 16 July, at 2125 hrs, a large firefight broke out between the Hezbollah and the IDF near a village called Majidyye and lasted for one hour and 40 minutes.

                  (5) Based on the intensity and volatility of this current situation and the unpredictability of both sides (Hezbollah and Israel), and given the operational tempo of the Hezbollah and the IDF, we are not safe to venture out to conduct our normal patrol activities. We have now switched to Observation Post Duties and are observing any and all violations as they occur.

                  This is all the information of a non-tactical nature that I can provide you. I cannot give you any info on Hezbollah position, proximity or the amount of or types of sorties the IAF is currently flying. Suffice to say that the activity levels and operational tempo of both parties is currently very high and continuous, with short breaks or pauses. Please understand the nature of my job here is to be impartial and to report violations from both sides without bias. As an Unarmed Military Observer, this is my raison d'etre.

                  What I can tell you is this: we have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both artillery and aerial bombing. The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity.

                  I thank you for the opportunity to provide you with some information from the front lines here in south Lebanon.

                  Maj Hess-von Kruedener
                  Last edited by WACF; 07-27-2006, 09:04 PM.

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                  • Cathedral
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6621

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Seshmeister
                    It's interesting you consider the Israeli army 'our military'.

                    I guess that's effectively true.
                    It is true, the way we back them and supply them with weapons it's as if we are The United Israeli States of America.
                    Some of their soldiers speak better english than I do.

                    I re-read that post and i don't even know why or how i came across like that.
                    My thought's were that we are dealing with the same kind of cowards, as in they hide behind innocent people just so they can say to the world that we target civilians.

                    My intentions were to point out the similarities, but i in effect learned that we are more one Nation than i'd even cared to openly admit.

                    I screwed up, but then again, not really?

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                    • WACF
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2920

                      #11
                      When you say that you supply the Israealis weapons do you mean the US gives them or rather...approve the sale off...then the arms industry sells their product as any other business?

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                      • Cathedral
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 6621

                        #12
                        I mean just the other day we rushed them a bunch of missiles direct from our stock pile.
                        As in, whatever they need from us we are apparently willing to give them immediately.

                        I heard nothing of any 'sale' taking place.

                        It was at that moment that i knew this was our war too.
                        When Israel gets threatened the USA is included in that threat.

                        The world see's us as one because we basically act as one.

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49646

                          #13
                          Originally posted by WACF
                          When you say that you supply the Israealis weapons do you mean the US gives them or rather...approve the sale off...then the arms industry sells their product as any other business?
                          Both.

                          The U.S. also gives Israel $3billion a year in aid...

                          Israel also has a healthy indigenous weapons industry...

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                          • ODShowtime
                            ROCKSTAR

                            • Jun 2004
                            • 5812

                            #14
                            and the fuckers even charge us interest on the aid we say we'll give them...
                            gnaw on it

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                            • Seshmeister
                              ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                              • Oct 2003
                              • 35827

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Cathedral
                              I mean just the other day we rushed them a bunch of missiles direct from our stock pile.
                              Yup.

                              And they were ferried via a Scottish airport so everyone here is getting fucking pissed.

                              Not that it will make a cunt of difference.

                              I have to belive it's a Jewish money thing otherwise why would the US take all this shit and misery for a pisssy country of 5 million that repeatedly act illlegally?

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