***9-11 TRUTH panel on C-SPAN NOW!!!***

[Seshmeister]

FORD there are a hundred things post 9-11 that I'm pissed off about that have happened in the US and the UK.

I am the most cynical mofo going but the Alex Jones arguments fall to bits under any sort of examination.

They have no concept of causation in this.

1 and 1 equals 3 stuff.

[FORD]

What about the presence of thermite & sulfur in the WTC rubble. Tell tale signs of a controlled demolition. Nothing that would be found in the building otherwise, and certainly not on a passenger airplane.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by FORD
What about the presence of thermite & sulfur in the WTC rubble. Tell tale signs of a controlled demolition. Nothing that would be found in the building otherwise, and certainly not on a passenger airplane.

How about where it came from, and it wasn't collected at the site by credible sources, it was "a woman from the Northeast" who was an apparent neat freak at a memorial, and other un-named sources described as "private people" some time after the attack which was not elaborated on as to the date these people were there.

Let's also point out that between the clean up and the start of the memorials, there are controlled demolitions done to clear some areas, especially the areas under the towers.

My point is that the conspiracies began before that day ended, and there is NO PROOF that it came from the WTC sites.

Your asking us to trust total strangers here, well, i need proof to even consider this 'theory', can we call it a theory?

So, your assertion that it was in the rubble is subjective in my opinion.

Sorry, but that evidence is what we call 'tainted'.

[Cathedral]

By the way, can i have the 1 hour, 31 minutes and 46 seconds back that i wasted watching that tired worn out and unbelievable program?

Their 'theories' have more holes than the 'Official' story does.

[binnie]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
It reminds me of Jimmy Swaggart to be honest. But then again FORD believes the Jesus myth with no evidence so there you go.

Here's my take.

1) The US government did some really dodgy shit in South America in the 1960s and 70s. It's cool that some people there are finally realising this.

2) A hell of a lot of the conspiracy about 9-11 is much more easily explained by government incompetance. My experiance of big government is that it is always incompetant.

3) Why do dozens of experts from all over the world who had no bias one way or the other agree and explain how the towers came down?

Maybe they weren't selling books?

4) The whole thing is totally illogical. It's nuts. Planes hit the towers, that's undeniable. They never mention that.

WHY WOULDN'T THAT BE ENOUGH?

Why would they have to blow up building 7? Why? Why? Why?

Who gives a cunt about Building 7? Noone cares. So it wasn't a justification for the draconian laws that followed. If the towers hadn't collapsed, WHO GIVES A CUNT?

WHY TAKE THE RISK?

IT MAKES NO SENSE.

None of this matters at all. It's fucking nonsense.

All it took to get the Patriot Act or the Iraqi war or whatever is the planes hitting the buildings.

It's that fucking simple.

Can you imagine the cuntspiracy theories if there was no irrefutable video evidence of the planes hitting the towers?

Why were the planes not intercepted?

Give me a break. In 40 minutes you can start shooting commercial down passenger planes? In case something that had never happened before happens?

3 big fucking planes hitting the highest profile buildings in the US killing hundreds wouldn't have been enough? No. It was absolutely essential that explosives were there which would be set off an hour later? It's just fucking ridiculous.

Madness.

Incompetance.

I fly weekly. The US security was a fucking joke. A disgrace. For some reason whether it was incompetance or just fucked up arogance the US government for some reason thought it was immune from terrorsim on home soil. Why? I have no idea.

My aunt was the head of airport security for Scotland pre 9-11 and we talked about it a few times pre 9-11 as frequent travellers. It was a fucking joke. A disgrace. There was no airport security in the US pre 9-11.

A week after 9-11 I was sitting at Heathrow airport and the Israeli flight to fucking Beruit left on time. We had to wait for hours for our UA flight to leave.

Back to the post.

Why oh why do they find it so amazing that if someone cuts the throat of an air hostess noone does anything given the history of hijacking. I think doing nothing is entirely the obvious reaction.

The stuff about people using cell phones on flight 93 is bullshit. They used air phones.

They said Allah was great instead of something else seconds before crashing. Gimme a break.

These are the cunts that went to a strip bar the night before.

I learned nothing from this at all except that like the fake Moon landings shit if you listen to stupid one sided crap for an hour if you don't know better it seems to be convincing.


Cheers!

Yep, it is clearly the planes that did it, although I did find the video interesting.

The issue, as I see it, is how prior warning did the US governement have of this, and how did they act on this?

very interesting video though FORD, even if I don't necessarily buy the conclusions....

[diamondD]

Originally posted by FORD
Thermite and sulfur could only be present in the WTC rubble in the case of a controlled demolition.

The fact that the crime scene was so quickly cleaned up, and the evidence shipped off to China and India certainly doesn't help the BCE's case. Rather it makes it obvious that they feared exactly the results that Dr. Jones found. The presence of demolition compounds in the rubble that could not possibly be there otherwise.

How quick are you saying they cleaned it up? The main thing was to look for survivors and then it still took almost a year just to clean it up.

[Hardrock69]

Here it is on the web:

rtsp://video.c-span.org/60days/ap072906.rm

Copy and paste the above link into your RealPlayer.

It will be repeated on C-Span tonight (TWuesday 8/12/06) at
6:10PM EST, 5:10 CST

Here is an article about reaction to this show on the web:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/310706cspan.htm

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Here it is on the web:

rtsp://video.c-span.org/60days/ap072906.rm

Copy and paste the above link into your RealPlayer.

I wouldn't bother.

[diamondD]

Nope, everytime I start watching one of those, it's blatantly obvious how biased and far-reaching it is.

[FORD]

Originally posted by diamondD
Nope, everytime I start watching one of those, it's blatantly obvious how biased and far-reaching it is.

It only seems "far reaching" because it IS a lot to take in at once. Of course it is.

But Alex Jones made a very important point in that seminar, and that's the fact that the naysayers always focus on the Pentagon, because even though the existence of a plane has yet to be proven at that scene, it's the easiest to spin against those who seek the Truth.

You can't argue with the presence of thermite and sulfur at Ground Zero, and that no explanation fits except for a controlled demolition.

You can't argue with the fact that WTC #7 was definitely "pulled" and Larry Silverstein himself admitted this.

And to answer Sesh's question of WHY.....

The entire purpose of the the WTC destruction was designed for psychological impact. The planes provided the initial shock, because nothing like this had happenned before.

But if it had just been the planes, it would have been a matter of rebuilding the towers, probably just on the floors hit by the planes themselves, or possibly a few above and below that, if they sufferred any structural damage.

The twin towers would still be standing today, and probably open for business, at least halfway up. They might still be renovating the floors.

But that wasn't enough for the PNAC plan. Remember that the objective was to provide a "new Pearl Harbor". The Japanese didn't just fire a couple rounds on those ships, they sank the motherfuckers. But you can't sink a 110 story concrete & steel building with an airplane.

So you blow it up. You maximize the psychological impact on those watching. And by that time, the entire world was watching. With media whores babbling about potential death tolls of up to 50,000, no less.

I always figured they actually timed the attacks for the lowest death count possible. Had the attacks happenned at 10:30 AM or 2:00 PM, they might have taken out two fully loaded towers, and then the media's numbers would have been far closer to the reality than the eventual 2700 + official death toll.

If you don't like the way Alex Jones presents his case, then there are plenty of other resources out there for info where he's not involved.

[diamondD]

You know that you're repeating the same crap to me you've said a 100 times. I think it's a bunch of bullshit and you ignore every reasonable explanation and just repeat it in another thread. Come up with some new ones. I know you've got it in you.

[thome]

This is the wierdest crap i have ever read.


We don't need to --Fake-- Enemies, they are REAL!!!

Some of you are so gullible it scares me.

Stay away from the cult of anything you can't listen without believing.

It's like you let some news FUKK who makes money off of selling commercial time in between his show break,s is going to say anything to -MAKE- you watch.

I can dig the snake oil trick the news people pull (classic) but those who can't see that really freak me out.

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by diamondD
You know that you're repeating the same crap to me you've said a 100 times. I think it's a bunch of bullshit and you ignore every reasonable explanation and just repeat it in another thread. Come up with some new ones. I know you've got it in you.

The same can be said for you, Mr. Denial....

:D

[binnie]

Ford, you make some valid points here, however....


Why would blowing the building up help? If the planes had flown into the WTC then it would still have been a shocking event causing massive loss of life whether or not the buildings fell or not.

In this case it seems that the government didn't need to invent enemies, although the exent of the threat and the levels of fear generated as a result certianly were stirred up.

However, IMO, the invention comes in when we look at Iraq, who were not a threat to the West.

[FORD]

Originally posted by binnie
Ford, you make some valid points here, however....


Why would blowing the building up help? If the planes had flown into the WTC then it would still have been a shocking event causing massive loss of life whether or not the buildings fell or not.

In this case it seems that the government didn't need to invent enemies, although the exent of the threat and the levels of fear generated as a result certianly were stirred up.

However, IMO, the invention comes in when we look at Iraq, who were not a threat to the West.

The enemy was an "invented" one in any case. Al Qaeda, to what ever extent it actually exists, was created by the CIA, as a tool to distract the Russians in Afghanistan. Saddam Hussein was just bait and switch, once the pipeline operations and family heroin business were secured in Afghanistan.