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  • DLR'sCock
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Jan 2004
    • 2937

    There Is Fascism, Indeed

    There Is Fascism, Indeed
    By Kieth Olbermann
    MSNBC

    Wednesday 30 August 2006

    The man who sees absolutes, where all other men see nuances and shades of meaning, is either a prophet, or a quack.

    Donald H. Rumsfeld is not a prophet.

    Mr. Rumsfeld's remarkable speech to the American Legion yesterday demands the deep analysis-and the sober contemplation-of every American.

    For it did not merely serve to impugn the morality or intelligence - indeed, the loyalty - of the majority of Americans who oppose the transient occupants of the highest offices in the land. Worse, still, it credits those same transient occupants - our employees - with a total omniscience; a total omniscience which neither common sense, nor this administration's track record at home or abroad, suggests they deserve.

    Dissent and disagreement with government is the life's blood of human freedom; and not merely because it is the first roadblock against the kind of tyranny the men Mr. Rumsfeld likes to think of as "his" troops still fight, this very evening, in Iraq.

    It is also essential. Because just every once in awhile it is right and the power to which it speaks, is wrong.

    In a small irony, however, Mr. Rumsfeld's speechwriter was adroit in invoking the memory of the appeasement of the Nazis. For in their time, there was another government faced with true peril-with a growing evil-powerful and remorseless.

    That government, like Mr. Rumsfeld's, had a monopoly on all the facts. It, too, had the "secret information." It alone had the true picture of the threat. It too dismissed and insulted its critics in terms like Mr. Rumsfeld's - questioning their intellect and their morality.

    That government was England's, in the 1930's.

    It knew Hitler posed no true threat to Europe, let alone England.

    It knew Germany was not re-arming, in violation of all treaties and accords.

    It knew that the hard evidence it received, which contradicted its own policies, its own conclusions - its own omniscience - needed to be dismissed.

    The English government of Neville Chamberlain already knew the truth.

    Most relevant of all - it "knew" that its staunchest critics needed to be marginalized and isolated. In fact, it portrayed the foremost of them as a blood-thirsty war-monger who was, if not truly senile, at best morally or intellectually confused.

    That critic's name was Winston Churchill.

    Sadly, we have no Winston Churchills evident among us this evening. We have only Donald Rumsfelds, demonizing disagreement, the way Neville Chamberlain demonized Winston Churchill.

    History - and 163 million pounds of Luftwaffe bombs over England - have taught us that all Mr. Chamberlain had was his certainty - and his own confusion. A confusion that suggested that the office can not only make the man, but that the office can also make the facts.

    Thus, did Mr. Rumsfeld make an apt historical analogy.

    Excepting the fact, that he has the battery plugged in backwards.

    His government, absolute - and exclusive - in its knowledge, is not the modern version of the one which stood up to the Nazis.

    It is the modern version of the government of Neville Chamberlain.

    But back to today's Omniscient ones.

    That, about which Mr. Rumsfeld is confused is simply this: This is a Democracy. Still. Sometimes just barely.

    And, as such, all voices count - not just his.

    Had he or his president perhaps proven any of their prior claims of omniscience - about Osama Bin Laden's plans five years ago, about Saddam Hussein's weapons four years ago, about Hurricane Katrina's impact one year ago - we all might be able to swallow hard, and accept their "omniscience" as a bearable, even useful recipe, of fact, plus ego.

    But, to date, this government has proved little besides its own arrogance, and its own hubris.

    Mr. Rumsfeld is also personally confused, morally or intellectually, about his own standing in this matter. From Iraq to Katrina, to the entire "Fog of Fear" which continues to envelop this nation, he, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, and their cronies have - inadvertently or intentionally - profited and benefited, both personally, and politically.

    And yet he can stand up, in public, and question the morality and the intellect of those of us who dare ask just for the receipt for the Emporer's New Clothes?

    In what country was Mr. Rumsfeld raised? As a child, of whose heroism did he read? On what side of the battle for freedom did he dream one day to fight? With what country has he confused the United States of America?

    The confusion we - as its citizens- must now address, is stark and forbidding.

    But variations of it have faced our forefathers, when men like Nixon and McCarthy and Curtis LeMay have darkened our skies and obscured our flag. Note - with hope in your heart - that those earlier Americans always found their way to the light, and we can, too.

    The confusion is about whether this Secretary of Defense, and this administration, are in fact now accomplishing what they claim the terrorists seek: The destruction of our freedoms, the very ones for which the same veterans Mr. Rumsfeld addressed yesterday in Salt Lake City, so valiantly fought.

    And about Mr. Rumsfeld's other main assertion, that this country faces a "new type of fascism."

    As he was correct to remind us how a government that knew everything could get everything wrong, so too was he right when he said that - though probably not in the way he thought he meant it.

    This country faces a new type of fascism - indeed.

    Although I presumptuously use his sign-off each night, in feeble tribute, I have utterly no claim to the words of the exemplary journalist Edward R. Murrow.

    But never in the trial of a thousand years of writing could I come close to matching how he phrased a warning to an earlier generation of us, at a time when other politicians thought they (and they alone) knew everything, and branded those who disagreed: "confused" or "immoral."

    Thus, forgive me, for reading Murrow, in full:

    "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty," he said, in 1954. "We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law.

    "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular."

    And so good night, and good luck.
  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59948

    #2
    God Bless Keith Olbermann. With Mike Malloy temporarily sidelined, he's about the only one left speaking the truth.
    Eat Us And Smile

    Cenk For America 2024!!

    Justice Democrats


    "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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    • Seshmeister
      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

      • Oct 2003
      • 35827

      #3
      The big myth about the appeasement of Chamberlain is that he signed the deal instead of kicking the shit out of Hitler before he got too powerful. It was alreaady far far too late for that, Germany would have kicked our asses in 1938.

      This is the big analogy always used by idiot fucks like Rumsfeld. Britain didn't have an army worth a shit at the time and after the 'appeasement' immediately started to try and build one up as quick as it possibly could.

      It's about as accurate as his dozens of non existent Blofeld underground cave systems full of thousands of Bin Laden guys no doubt in Bond baddie orange jumpsuits he shwed us all the diagrams of on TV.

      We have all our faults in Britain too not least a fucking poodle for a PM but no politician could have done that here without being laughed out of power.

      Cheers!

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      • DEMON CUNT
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Nov 2004
        • 3242

        #4
        Watch!

        Keith had some very choice words about Rumsfeld's "fascism" comments tonight. Watch it, save it and share it. [media id=3716]- WMV [media
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        • Nickdfresh
          SUPER MODERATOR

          • Oct 2004
          • 49646

          #5
          This is a dupe, but I'm leaving it open because of the good responses.

          DLR's Cock, please include links in your article postings. Thank you.

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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 59948

            #6
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            Eat Us And Smile

            Cenk For America 2024!!

            Justice Democrats


            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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            • Coyote
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Jan 2004
              • 8185

              #7
              Nice point, F. But:

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              Why settle for something you have, if it's not as good as something you're out to get?

              Originally posted by Seshmeister
              It's like putting up a YouTube of Bach and playing Chopstix on your Bontempi...

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              • Nickdfresh
                SUPER MODERATOR

                • Oct 2004
                • 49646

                #8
                "The fight against fascism begins here!" --Woody Guthrie

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                • ODShowtime
                  ROCKSTAR

                  • Jun 2004
                  • 5812

                  #9
                  Pretty soon the idiots with bush cheney 04 bumper stickers are gonna start getting their cars vandalized.

                  I'd like to point out that everyone who voted for gw is a moron. That means you Warham and BBB. You're morons.

                  Thanks. Over and out
                  gnaw on it

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                  • DLR'sCock
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2937

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                    This is a dupe, but I'm leaving it open because of the good responses.

                    DLR's Cock, please include links in your article postings. Thank you.

                    Well thanks Nick, but I posted this thread/article about an hour before VA posted it in the other thread. Kudos to VA though for the good find!

                    As for your stinking link, here is your stinking link!!!:D

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                    • Seshmeister
                      ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                      • Oct 2003
                      • 35827

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ODShowtime
                      Pretty soon the idiots with bush cheney 04 bumper stickers are gonna start getting their cars vandalized.

                      I'd like to point out that everyone who voted for gw is a moron. That means you Warham and BBB. You're morons.

                      Thanks. Over and out
                      Particularly those two because they saw all the evidence in this forum of what incompetant cunts they were going to vote for.

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                      • BigBadBrian
                        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 10625

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        The big myth about the appeasement of Chamberlain is that he signed the deal instead of kicking the shit out of Hitler before he got too powerful. It was alreaady far far too late for that, Germany would have kicked our asses in 1938.

                        This is the big analogy always used by idiot fucks like Rumsfeld. Britain didn't have an army worth a shit at the time and after the 'appeasement' immediately started to try and build one up as quick as it possibly could.

                        Yeah, I imagine YOUR history books do tell you that.

                        However, it's not necessarily the truth.

                        Churchill thought Chamberlain behaved disgracefully by not assisting the Czechs concerning the Munich Agreement that ceded the Sudetenland to Germany.

                        Try to diversify your research, Sesh. You're buy into too much of your own Government's propaganda.

                        “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35827

                          #13
                          My govenment tells me what?

                          Your opinions are childlike and monotone.

                          Churchill was a flawed character and much of what his critics said about him was true. Why do you think he wasn't elected at the end of the war?

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 59948

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                            Try to diversify your research, Sesh. You're buy into too much of your own Government's propaganda.
                            Eat Us And Smile

                            Cenk For America 2024!!

                            Justice Democrats


                            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                            • Warham
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 14589

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Seshmeister
                              Particularly those two because they saw all the evidence in this forum of what incompetant cunts they were going to vote for.
                              I didn't vote for Clinton.

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