Anti-incumbent Fervor Growing in America

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by blueturk
It's not my "act". It's your president's. And that's what bothers you about the quotes.Your leader has spoken, and you don't want to hear just how incompetent he really is...

Exactly.

They HATE it when you constantly throw it in their faces too.

Deep down inside, they know what a moronic sociopath he is.

They'd prefer it if you would stop pointing it out, however.

Mkay?

[DEMON CUNT]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Deep down inside, they know what a moronic sociopath he is.

Yep, and neocon pride forbids them from admitting to any of the obvious.

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by blueturk
They don't even need a solution if Dubya and pals keep up their desperate attempts to validate their foiled oil run in Iraq by making ridiculous historical comparisons. Bush is dragging his party down. But the worst part is that the next presdent (Republican or Democrat) will inherit one of the worst fucking messes in American history, and "solutions" will be hard to find. Not that Bush cares.


"That, of course, is an objective, and that will be decided by future Presidents and future governments of Iraq." - George W. Bush at the White House on March 21 2006, when asked if there would come a time when no more American troops would be in Iraq

The biggest fucking mess in US history was the Civil War. The US Civil War makes our current problems look small in comparison. I keep telling myself this to assure myself the country can survive the current monkey in office.

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by sadaist
I think elected office might be like pussy, you'll say & do anything to get into it. Once there, you don't really want to leave.

Usually after I have gotten a good workout pounding pussy and shooting my load, I'm ready to pull out and watch late night television.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well, it was a terrible fuck up. No disagreement there. There's no excuse for it, not on a project of that scale. But a slit wall isn't supposed to have rebar, hell you can even use crap rejected concrete. It's supposed to be a stop-gap measure to protect workers from collapse.



Well, due to the glory that is premium prevailing wage, yes you can make quite a bit in construction. But if anybody was making six-figures, dude, they were working a lot of overtime and weekends. It had to be at least 70-80 hours a week with double-time on Sundays, and the unions probably took some of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slurry_wall

hmmmmm, ok....

If by "working" you mean traffic cops sleeping in cars 100 hours a week or construction workers getting a full nights or day's pay after the work site is shut down for "excessive noise" then yea, it wasn't a big money grab. I won't even get into the millions of dollars of stolen materials.

I'm not saying a lot of hard work didn't go on or that every last person in the union is corrupt or lazy. I'm just saying it was encouraged and LOADS of people got better money doing less work with less quality than they ever imagined.

Corners were cut, everything was overcharged and the quality was horrible in certain parts of it. And it's nowhere near over.

And now, one person has died from a 10 ton section of ceiling falling on their car.

[Warham]

The 'Big Dig' should have been retitled the 'Big Abortion'.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slurry_wall

hmmmmm, ok....

If by "working" you mean traffic cops sleeping in cars 100 hours a week or construction workers getting a full nights or day's pay after the work site is shut down for "excessive noise" then yea, it wasn't a big money grab. I won't even get into the millions of dollars of stolen materials.

Okay, I'm aware this shit does happen, but what exactly is your source for this again? I mean, there's a lot of people that exaggerate stuff, even legitimate complaints get turned into legendary urban myths. And yes, I do believe workers got a full day's pay after their site is shut down; but tell a guy to show up for work, then send him home for circumstances beyond his control while cutting his pay, and see how many workers come back.

Really dude, you've never been paid for fucking off or not working a full day when you worked for Warner? Tell me you didn't, and I'll find that pretty fucking hard to believe.

Maybe "cops" were sleeping in their cars for 100 hours a week, but what does that have to do with construction? And again, I find it hard to believe that anyone can sleep for 100-hours a week. Do you mean they were providing "traffic control" and people complained that the police were tied up with overtime? Because, all I have to say is: you've driven in Boston? Right? Knuff' said!

Cops have their own unions, and that's a completely different topic. Do you bitch about the post-9/11 Homeland security pork being grabbed by notorious terrorist targets in Red States like, oh, I don't know -- fucking Indianapolis, IN?

I'm not saying a lot of hard work didn't go on or that every last person in the union is corrupt or lazy. I'm just saying it was encouraged and LOADS of people got better money doing less work with less quality than they ever imagined.

Well, I won't debate that some workers get told "not to work too hard" or to only do a specific task, and get rebuked if they attempt to help out with something outside a narrow job description. That's a valid criticism I share. But at the same time, if shit workers fuck off for a day, or mouth off to their supervisor, generally, unions will shit-can the guy and essentially black-ball him because he or she is an embarrassment.

Corners were cut, everything was overcharged and the quality was horrible in certain parts of it. And it's nowhere near over.

And now, one person has died from a 10 ton section of ceiling falling on their car.

Corners are cut often, especially since the Iraq War has drawn off funds for many domestic projects with Federal oversight. Just look at the New Orleans Levees, and more than one person died as a result in that one.

And that's (the Big Dig) a management problem, of poor quality control and supervision by commercial construction companies. Somebody fucked up! But not a construction worker. That has nothing to do with union workers, not directly anyways. And the incompetent project manager, QC, or Superintendent is getting close to a six-figure salary too.

[Big Train]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Okay, I'm aware this shit does happen, but what exactly is your source for this again? I mean, there's a lot of people that exaggerate stuff, even legitimate complaints get turned into legendary urban myths. And yes, I do believe workers got a full day's pay after their site is shut down; but tell a guy to show up for work, then send him home for circumstances beyond his control while cutting his pay, and see how many workers come back.

Really dude, you've never been paid for fucking off or not working a full day when you worked for Warner? Tell me you didn't, and I'll find that pretty fucking hard to believe.

Maybe "cops" were sleeping in their cars for 100 hours a week, but what does that have to do with construction? And again, I find it hard to believe that anyone can sleep for 100-hours a week. Do you mean they were providing "traffic control" and people complained that the police were tied up with overtime? Because, all I have to say is: you've driven in Boston? Right? Knuff' said!

Cops have their own unions, and that's a completely different topic. Do you bitch about the post-9/11 Homeland security pork being grabbed by notorious terrorist targets in Red States like, oh, I don't know -- fucking Indianapolis, IN?



Well, I won't debate that some workers get told "not to work too hard" or to only do a specific task, and get rebuked if they attempt to help out with something outside a narrow job description. That's a valid criticism I share. But at the same time, if shit workers fuck off for a day, or mouth off to their supervisor, generally, unions will shit-can the guy and essentially black-ball him because he or she is an embarrassment.



Corners are cut often, especially since the Iraq War has drawn off funds for many domestic projects with Federal oversight. Just look at the New Orleans Levees, and more than one person died as a result in that one.

And that's (the Big Dig) a management problem, of poor quality control and supervision by commercial construction companies. Somebody fucked up! But not a construction worker. That has nothing to do with union workers, not directly anyways. And the incompetent project manager, QC, or Superintendent is getting close to a six-figure salary too.

Wow, let it all out man.

First off, never in my career have I worked for the Bunny.

My source for this? Living there during a majority of the construction, seeing it visually. Numerous Boston Herald "exposes". How obvious does it need to be.

I'm not saying they are sleeping for a 100 hours straight (wtf would you assume that), I'm saying their getting paid for 100+ hours of work and spending at least 20 asleep, maybe more. Certainly not doing what they are paid for. It's being paid from the construction budget, that's what it has to do with things.

Before we get completely off point on your tangents, the key thing is it is waste and fraud.

I'm not down with waste or fraud at any level of government or business (I know you want to lump me in with any and all examples you can think of because I'm simply disagreeing with you). It was a money grab from the top to the bottom. That is my point.

It was a huge money grab for the senators and their constiutients, the unions. Pure and simple.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Big Train
Wow, let it all out man.

Um, like you should talk Mr. "music-downloaders should be summarily executed!"

First off, never in my career have I worked for the Bunny.

Sorry, I thought I had read, or you had said, you worked for the big dubya-bee during the VH years. My bad.

My source for this? Living there during a majority of the construction, seeing it visually. Numerous Boston Herald "exposes". How obvious does it need to be.

Yeah well, it's a little easy to draw conclusions on various situations/incidents.

I read a Boston Globe "expose'" on the slurry/slip wall thing. But I think we need links or sources if we're making big accusations. And I don't disbelieve all that you say, I've witnessed some shit myself in fact. But stuff gets exaggerated, and extremes often get turned into "the norm."

I'm not saying they are sleeping for a 100 hours straight (wtf would you assume that), I'm saying their getting paid for 100+ hours of work and spending at least 20 asleep, maybe more. Certainly not doing what they are paid for. It's being paid from the construction budget, that's what it has to do with things.

Well, they're cops, I can't speak for them. A NYS Trooper Trainee earns $48K a year, and $52K starting. Is that right? You decide...

BTW, do you have any idea how much it costs to shut down a job if a guy gets hit by a car? A lot more than paying a cop for 100-hrs. a week.

Before we get completely off point on your tangents, the key thing is it is waste and fraud.

I'm not down with waste or fraud at any level of government or business (I know you want to lump me in with any and all examples you can think of because I'm simply disagreeing with you). It was a money grab from the top to the bottom. That is my point.

It was a huge money grab for the senators and their constiutients, the unions. Pure and simple.

I'm not "lumping" you in with anybody. You have some valid points and arguments. I'm just providing context. It's never that simple. Yes, Senators grabbed the pork, and unions benefited. But the social necessity was there, and somebody had to do it.

What was the alternative?

Using immigrant workers for $8-an-hour?

[Big Train]

How much research do you need. Search the Herald archives, you'll come up with tons of stuff. Hell a quick google search will give you all you need. I'm just offering my perspective.

If the cop is asleep and not doing his job, someone is more likely to be injured. Figure out those costs.