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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    Baker Report: Urges Bush to Withdraw

    Wed 18 Oct 2006


    Bombshell report will urge Bush to withdraw from Iraq

    ALEX MASSIE IN WASHINGTON AND GERRI PEEV

    AN INFLUENTIAL United States commission is set to recommend a withdrawal of American troops from Iraq when it delivers its report early next year.

    The Iraq Study Group (ISG), headed by James Baker, a former Secretary of State in president George H Bush's government, is expected to advise the current president to change his policy.

    The recommendations are understood to include a new strategy of "Redeploy and Contain," which would see US forces gradually withdrawn from Iraq to bases elsewhere in the region.

    Although the report will not advocate a hasty withdrawal, it confirms the emerging consensus in Washington that George W Bush's determination to "stay the course" regardless of mounting casualties, increased violence in Iraq and public dissatisfaction with the war, is no longer a seriously tenable option.

    The group is also considering another option, called "Stability First", which would advise securing Baghdad, while bringing Iran and Syria to the table to use their influence to end the insurgency crippling efforts to bring peace to Iraq.

    "The bottom line is, [the current policy] isn't working... There's got to be another way," one participant in the ISG meetings said. "You can't come out of those briefings and not have a sense that things are in real bad shape.

    "The bottom line is, it's not working. They know that. And they know that time is not on their side."

    The report will deal a fresh blow to Tony Blair, who has insisted that British forces would stay the course in Iraq.

    At a Downing Street briefing, Mr Blair said he would be "absolutely astonished" if Mr Baker's commission called for troops to pull out of Iraq "come what may". The Prime Minister's case for staying the course suffered a massive setback last week when General Sir Richard Dannatt, the head of the army, warned that the presence of British troops was exacerbating the problems. However, Mr Blair stressed that Sir Richard was not calling for the immediate withdrawal of British troops.

    British forces would not "walk away" from Iraq or Afghanistan until their job was complete.

    Leaving either country now would leave the extremist enemies - both in the UK and abroad "heartened and emboldened".

    "It is our policy to come out of Iraq when the job is done. What is very dangerous is any suggestion we get out before the job is done," Mr Blair said.

    Mr Baker's previous role in US administrations will make his recommendations difficult to dismiss. He headed Mr Bush's legal team during the crucial and decisive Florida recount after the 2000 presidential election.

    The White House has not commented on the Baker groups' proposals, but an official said: "If an independent group like the Baker panel can come up with some good ideas, we're all for it."
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  • LoungeMachine
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    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    #2
    Re: Baker Report: Urges Bush to Withdraw

    Originally posted by LoungeMachine




    The recommendations are understood to include a new strategy of "Redeploy and Contain," which would see US forces gradually withdrawn from Iraq to bases elsewhere in the region.

    Also known as "Cut n Run over to there"






    The group is also considering another option, called "Stability First", which would advise securing Baghdad

    Also known as "Why the fuck didnt we do this 3 years ago"

    [they're still working on the name, as it's too long for the Hannity crowd to grasp Cannot be more than 3 words. ]
    Originally posted by Kristy
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    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    • blueturk
      Veteran
      • Jul 2004
      • 1883

      #3
      Dubya doesn't care what anybody thinks. Mark my words. He will "stay the course".

      "You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

      "I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is -- my point is, there's a strong will for democracy." --George W. Bush, interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Sept. 24, 2006

      "I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." --George W. Bush, talking to key Republicans about Iraq, as quoted by Bob Woodward

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      • ELVIS
        Banned
        • Dec 2003
        • 44120

        #4
        A "fresh blow" is really all you fags want...

        Bring Iran and Syria to the table ??

        I chose Stay The Course over "Stability First"...


        Is this crap for real ??

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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 59571

          #5
          Originally posted by blueturk

          "I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." --George W. Bush, talking to key Republicans about Iraq, as quoted by Bob Woodward
          Uh oh, when Chimpy compares Barney to Pickles and uses the word "withdraw" in a sentence, that should be a red flag.......

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          • DEMON CUNT
            Crazy Ass Mofo
            • Nov 2004
            • 3242

            #6
            Originally posted by ELVIS
            I chose Stay The Course over "Stability First"...
            Elvis, what is your understanding of "stay the course"? What does that mean?
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            • Nickdfresh
              SUPER MODERATOR

              • Oct 2004
              • 49563

              #7
              Elvis considers "choosing to stay the course" as posting a lot of pro-War gibberish on the internet, about a War that he neither understands nor actually researches or reads about...

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              • Ellyllions
                Veteran
                • Mar 2006
                • 2012

                #8
                What does "Stay the course" mean? What course? If we're to believe what we're seeing in the media and what soldiers writing home are saying, there is no clear course. Right now, it's just stay out of the way and be seen. The being seen part means "easy targets". And that's exactly what's happening.

                Right now, our soldiers are on the offense only because no one really knows what's going on in Iraq. Not even down to the sado-masochist (sp? don't care) generals. Who's attacking whom? No one really knows. All that is known is that deaths are occurring. It's suspected that the latest rounds of mass graves and clumped body counts has something to do with the possibility of an insurgency that is attacking those Iraqi's that have been seen or known to be friendly to the Coalition forces.

                THAT'S TROUBLE. If that's true, then we most definitely need to get our asses out of there and quick.

                It looks more like a civil war at this point. And we have no business being involved in a civil war. Especially if we want to stay true to our word that we didn't go in there as an occupying force.

                I know what post will be next so let me head this off....I know that most of you truly believe that to occupy Iraq was the intent. And on the grand scheme of things what you think was the underlying intent isn't important. What is important is that the words gone out globally by everyone who involved their military in this battle from the beginning, (whether they're still in Iraq right now or not) was that this was not an invasion for occupation. It's IMPERATIVE that we do whatever is necessary to make that word stick.

                It's no longer important to defeat an enemy. Because we don't know who the enemy is anymore. It keeps growing and changing. And as far as the "cut-and-run" bullshit?

                As long as there is one person in any country who calls themselves a terrorist who is left still standing...they will claim victory whether we start pull-out today or 165 years from now.
                "If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish

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                • ODShowtime
                  ROCKSTAR

                  • Jun 2004
                  • 5812

                  #9
                  The bottome line:

                  I think Saddam is being sentenced pretty soon.

                  At this point, I say we can't leave until after he's been dealt with. Which should be sooner than later.
                  gnaw on it

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                  • DEMON CUNT
                    Crazy Ass Mofo
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 3242

                    #10
                    To question that the situation in Iraq is anything other than a civil war is beyond stupid.

                    civil war n.
                    A war between factions or regions of the same country.

                    Our troops are caught in the cross-fire of this battle. Every day they are left is a virtual death sentence. It is real easy for you little fat piggies to say "stay the course" when you have no skin in the game.

                    As long as certain American companies are reaping record profits from this illegal occupation it will continue.

                    If you voted for Bush you voted for this.
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                    • DEMON CUNT
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 3242

                      #11
                      Elvis, can you please explain what you mean by "stay the course"?
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