Gotta question

[ELVIS]

Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Proverbs 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

Proverbs 21:8 The way of man is froward and strange: but as for the pure, his work is right.

Jeremiah 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

[WARF]

ELVIS, I think it's time to drop the stripper in the signature... and the gun totin' ELVIS trademark smiley. :D

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by ELVIS

Proverbs 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

i don't know about you, but this kind of statement leads me to believe that God cares a little more about how you lived your life, then whether or not you followed rule 5, paragraph 2 of the manual on how to worship the correct god...

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
Well, here's where I get tripped up in all of this.

I suspect that one of the reasons we could be considered aethiests by Islam is because we're not executing homosexuals, aethiests, and other things that are strictly forbidden in their faith. I'm guessing that this "speech" will be pointed at the fact that they can't accept us because we don't do "God's work" as they see fit. Besides the issue of Muhammed.

Their own faith as it is written is supposed to be peaceful.

I can't imagine what could've happened if Jim Jones had the kind of money and following that Islam has.

eh...my guess is it's also translation. most fundamentalists classify people in terms of believer and non-believer, based strictly on whether or not the people believe in the specific tenants of that particular faith.

for all we know, the original, arabic mentions al qaeda vs. non-believers, but so-and-so who translated it assumed it meant atheists.


in the end, it's probably semantics. (right, sesh? that should appeal to you as both a barrister AND an atheist...)

[Seshmeister]

To me it's all pretty simple with the Koran and the Bible.

If you follow it word for word then it's evil immoral inconsistent and just plain scientifiically wrong.

If you pick and choose then it's obviously not a fundamental truth or word of a god. Without the bible or the koran then these belief systems fall to bits because that's all they've got.

There is trouble in the Sesh household at the moment. The SM who is agnostic wants to take our oldest(3 years old) to the Watchnight Christmas Eve service. I'm saying if she wants to give her some superstition why not just take her to the local fucking mosque or scientology hall.

Her argument back is that I'm willing to put up with the Santa thing and it's all about the magic of Xmas so what's the harm and that they don't celebrate Xmas at those places?

But if I indoctrinate the kids telling them that there is no God then is that wrong too because it's imposing my stuff on them before they are smart enough to work it out just like the religionists do.

It's all a bit tricky and shows how religions have spread like a virus over generations...

Cheers!

[scamper]

Let people believe what they want, it's what makes the world go round.

[Seshmeister]

No it's not.

There is no force that causes the planets to rotate. Most of the rotation comes about from the conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is given by L=m*w*r2 where m is the mass, w is the angular velocity in radians per second, and r is the radius of the circular motion. Due to conservation of angular momentum, if the radius of the orbit decreases, then its angular velocity must increase (as the mass is constant).

All planetary and stellar systems are born from the collapse of dense interstellar clouds. The clouds may originally be very large (even thousands of light years across). Consider a portion of the cloud the collapses from a size of a light year or so to the size of the solar system. That is a huge change in the size of the system. So, the very slight rotation that the cloud has in the beginning is increased dramatically when the collapse takes place. In fact, this is one of the barriers in star formation: there is excess angular momentum and there has to be a way of losing angular momentum before you can form a star.

Anyway, the bottom line is that stars like the Sun spin from the original angular momentum that was there in the solar nebula from which it formed. Not only that, all orbital motion of the planets (including the spin) is due to this orginal angular momentum.

[ELVIS]

And it all happened by chance, correct ??

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
And it all happened by chance, correct ??

Why are the only choices to you GOD or "by chance"????

There is NO other possibility that comes to your narrow mind?

That explains alot.

Merry XMas

[Dr. Love]

Given the definition of athiesm, I would tend to think that Al Qaeda don't believe that we're athiests.

[Seshmeister]

Originally posted by ELVIS
And it all happened by chance, correct ??

Evolution is the opposite of chance.

[ELVIS]

So, all the building blocks of life just happened to be at the right place at the right time for "evolution" to begin...

By chance...

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by ELVIS
So, all the building blocks of life just happened to be at the right place at the right time for "evolution" to begin...

By chance...

It was all done by a giant tortoise, stupid.

[Dr. Love]

Originally posted by ELVIS
So, all the building blocks of life just happened to be at the right place at the right time for "evolution" to begin...

By chance...

And if that's so? You don't even know if that "chance" is slim or large.

[nosuchluck]

Originally posted by FORD
As far as the Muslims are concerned, an infidel is an infidel. And an infidel is anyone who doesn't accept Mohammed as God's number one dude.

'Infidel' is a word you'd probably only hear an extremist or fundamentalist say (which is probably what you meant anyway). Most Muslims are tolerant and respectful of other religions - it's too bad that the general image of Islam in N.America and Europe is based on what some dumbfuck extremist in the Middle East said.

And Muslims do recognize the relation between Christianity and Islam, as well as respect a majority of Biblical figures.